From my experience working in the music industry, this is absolutely solid. I’ve been at EDM events where they’ve taken sniffer dogs through the dancefloor, and from my vantage point you can see the word go through the crowd. Often people will drop their drugs on the ground so they don’t get caught, but not before taking a massive dose of it.Â
It increases the risk of an overdose, ruins the vibe of the event, and doesn’t reduce drug use at all. I mean realistically, people are going to buy more drugs to replace what they’ve ditched, so it actually makes the market more lucrative…
And the searches at the gate (sometimes going as far as strip-searches) don’t really stop anything getting in. People are creative, and festival sites are huge, impossible to properly guard. I’ve even heard stories of people sneaking into site a month early, and hiding/burying drugs in the camping area, then retrieving them later once they’re inside. How do you police things like that when there are 5,000+ people moving around across huge rural sites in the dark? It’s not realistic.
Harm minimalisation is obviously the only real way to reduce drug harms, combined with realistic safety education. The harm minimalisation teams at festivals do amazing work at festivals, keeping people safe and informed, from drug testing to safe recovery spaces and basic first aid, checking in on people who look like they might be in trouble, even just to passing out sunscreen and water to people on the dancefloor, it makes a huge difference to the safety and wellbeing of the patrons and staff at festivals.
Kirstae on
I’ve just gotten into the rave and festival scene in the last two years and honestly, there is no place for police at festivals. There’s always plenty of security, and they know what to look for when it comes to trouble makers. There are many more pressing issues police could be taking on, and if they are needed, they can be called.
pvt_idaho on
Yes.
Call me cynical, but I have to believe that people behind this idea consider this a feature, not a bug. Because how could anybody not see people downing whatever they have before getting caught as the clearly foreseeable outcome of bag searches and sniffer dogs at festivals?
Rush_Banana on
Just let people take drugs and if they OD it’s on them.
no_fking_shit on
No shit
aus-tjej on
Didn’t NSW have similar findings a few years ago and that offering drug testing is the safest thing to have for festivals? People see sniffer dogs, panic, and then take the pills that they have. That then results in overdosing, especially if the pills are cut with something else.
l2ewdAwakening on
This isn’t new, it’s been known for decades.
Educational-Feeling7 on
So illicit drug users get a softer touch than those choose tobacco harm minimisation (vapes now prohibited unless underground black market). Nope. I csnnot let this slide. Every person using drugs should face consequences. Police it to the resource limit! (Of the argument against it becsuse persons carrying large quantities will knock ‘em alt down ahead of being searched..:if they were that sfupid, that’d be natural selection.)
Puzzleheaded-Eye9081 on
Well duh. Everyone knew that already in like 1996.
a_cold_human on
If we want to save lives, we need pill testing stations at festivals. Not police. We need to go with what works and actually statistically reduces fatalities and hospitalisations.Â
SnooMarzipans4387 on
No shit. I thought this was common knowledge?
OverallMistake8198 on
It’s almost as if the people who attend these events have said this FOR YEARS.
I’ve been a rave goer for 8 years now & the police, the way the conduct themselves is incredibly unnecessary & quite frankly the way i’ve heard officers talk about women at these festivals is fucked too.
Whats worse, someone has a couple pills & a bit of fun or there is a young person who freaks out about being arrested & legal trouble so they have too much at once & put themselves in serious danger?
PumpinSmashkins on
I could have told you this twenty years ago when I saw them first introduced. People started dropping like flies due to panic dumping all their stash at once.Â
Back in those days most folks were on good quality e, some speed, lsd and weed. The community self policed and dodgy cunts were known about and kept out of the scene.Â
Everything changed when the sniffer dogs came, people went onto k instead and ghb and boom. Overdoses.Â
chinanumba8 on
Piggies going for the low hanging fruit instead of actually doing work. Standard
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From my experience working in the music industry, this is absolutely solid. I’ve been at EDM events where they’ve taken sniffer dogs through the dancefloor, and from my vantage point you can see the word go through the crowd. Often people will drop their drugs on the ground so they don’t get caught, but not before taking a massive dose of it.Â
It increases the risk of an overdose, ruins the vibe of the event, and doesn’t reduce drug use at all. I mean realistically, people are going to buy more drugs to replace what they’ve ditched, so it actually makes the market more lucrative…
And the searches at the gate (sometimes going as far as strip-searches) don’t really stop anything getting in. People are creative, and festival sites are huge, impossible to properly guard. I’ve even heard stories of people sneaking into site a month early, and hiding/burying drugs in the camping area, then retrieving them later once they’re inside. How do you police things like that when there are 5,000+ people moving around across huge rural sites in the dark? It’s not realistic.
Harm minimalisation is obviously the only real way to reduce drug harms, combined with realistic safety education. The harm minimalisation teams at festivals do amazing work at festivals, keeping people safe and informed, from drug testing to safe recovery spaces and basic first aid, checking in on people who look like they might be in trouble, even just to passing out sunscreen and water to people on the dancefloor, it makes a huge difference to the safety and wellbeing of the patrons and staff at festivals.
I’ve just gotten into the rave and festival scene in the last two years and honestly, there is no place for police at festivals. There’s always plenty of security, and they know what to look for when it comes to trouble makers. There are many more pressing issues police could be taking on, and if they are needed, they can be called.
Yes.
Call me cynical, but I have to believe that people behind this idea consider this a feature, not a bug. Because how could anybody not see people downing whatever they have before getting caught as the clearly foreseeable outcome of bag searches and sniffer dogs at festivals?
Just let people take drugs and if they OD it’s on them.
No shit
Didn’t NSW have similar findings a few years ago and that offering drug testing is the safest thing to have for festivals? People see sniffer dogs, panic, and then take the pills that they have. That then results in overdosing, especially if the pills are cut with something else.
This isn’t new, it’s been known for decades.
So illicit drug users get a softer touch than those choose tobacco harm minimisation (vapes now prohibited unless underground black market). Nope. I csnnot let this slide. Every person using drugs should face consequences. Police it to the resource limit! (Of the argument against it becsuse persons carrying large quantities will knock ‘em alt down ahead of being searched..:if they were that sfupid, that’d be natural selection.)
Well duh. Everyone knew that already in like 1996.
If we want to save lives, we need pill testing stations at festivals. Not police. We need to go with what works and actually statistically reduces fatalities and hospitalisations.Â
No shit. I thought this was common knowledge?
It’s almost as if the people who attend these events have said this FOR YEARS.
I’ve been a rave goer for 8 years now & the police, the way the conduct themselves is incredibly unnecessary & quite frankly the way i’ve heard officers talk about women at these festivals is fucked too.
Whats worse, someone has a couple pills & a bit of fun or there is a young person who freaks out about being arrested & legal trouble so they have too much at once & put themselves in serious danger?
I could have told you this twenty years ago when I saw them first introduced. People started dropping like flies due to panic dumping all their stash at once.Â
Back in those days most folks were on good quality e, some speed, lsd and weed. The community self policed and dodgy cunts were known about and kept out of the scene.Â
Everything changed when the sniffer dogs came, people went onto k instead and ghb and boom. Overdoses.Â
Piggies going for the low hanging fruit instead of actually doing work. Standard