> Delegates at the Conservative Party’s national convention in Calgary voted overwhelmingly Saturday to enact a “stand your ground”-style law to allow someone to protect themselves with lethal force against an intruder in their home.
> This was one of dozens of policies debated and adopted by delegates at this biannual gathering, many of which focused on crime, immigration and social policy.
> An overwhelming number of delegates — again, about 77 per cent — also endorsed a policy to pursue immediate deportation of non-citizens in Canada convicted of a serious offence, with a “default permanent ban on re-entry” and provisions for “asset forfeiture” of foreign criminals forced to leave.
Brandon_Me on
In relation to conversion therapy
“While a very narrow majority of delegates — 52 per cent — voted in favour of opposing the ban”
It’s fucking insane that over half the delegates are in favour of conversion therapy. Be thankful that 51% wasn’t enough for it to pass this time, but this section of the party is growing and will without a doubt push for this again.
Keraunos01 on
conversion therapy is a gross idea and practice that most experts agree is child abuse shame on those who voted to oppose its ban.
green_tory on
But I was told they’re not homophobic bigots any longer!
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Joebranflakes on
They rely on people not actually reading their policy playbook and voting CPC because some media outlet made a bogyman out of the LPC.
caramel_police on
These people are delusional if they think these are policies that appeal to a majority of Canadians. This is a platform of conservative wish fulfillment and little else.
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bunbunmagnet on
Wtf, why was there even a vote on conversion therapy.
Read the room, we got bigger problems. Watch Heated Rivalry like everyone else and get over it.
drizzes on
>While most policies sailed through with lopsided margins, one policy in particular revealed division in the party.
>Social conservative delegates pushed a resolution that would have made it official Conservative policy to oppose the existing “conversion therapy ban,” which was enacted by the last Liberal government.
>Former Conservative leader Erin O’Toole allowed it to pass unopposed even though some of his MPs wanted to vote against it, a decision that was a source of some tension at the time.
>The policy criminalizes the discredited practice of trying to change a person’s sexual orientation or gender identity.
>”We believe that parents have the right to arrange for body-affirming talk therapy for their gender-confused child, and we oppose the federal ‘Conversion Therapy Ban’ which criminalizes parents for doing so,” the proposed resolution read.
>The main sponsor, Jack Fonseca, director of political operations at anti-abortion group Campaign Life Coalition, said a change is needed to crack down on what he called “woke school teachers” who he alleged were encouraging gender transitions.
>While a very narrow majority of delegates — 52 per cent — voted in favour of opposing the ban, it failed to get a “double majority,” which requires resolutions to be passed not only by a majority of delegates but also by majorities in more than half the provinces and the three territories (which are counted as one jurisdiction).
>A majority of delegates from Manitoba, Quebec, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Labrador, Prince Edward Island and the territories stood against the call to restore a lax approach to a practice that many 2SLGBTQ+ people who have been subjected to it say was traumatizing.
Even when they have some decent ideas, they just can’t let go of the Social Conservative stink. I have zero doubt at this point that the Conversion therapy ban was the defining reason for O’Toole’s dethroning.
DrinkMoreBrews on
My house is my castle and shall be protected accordingly.
Rkrzz on
The CPC again prove how they need to split and form two parties again…
epidipnis on
Conversion therapy? Seriously? In this day and age?
MadScienti5t on
> “We believe that parents have the right to arrange for body-affirming talk therapy for their gender-confused child, and we oppose the federal ‘Conversion Therapy Ban’ which criminalizes parents for doing so,” the proposed resolution read.
Sad that they vote on a resolution that is so misleading. Anybody seeking gender affirming care in Canada is recommended to participate in talk therapy to help the person better understand themselves and what they really are. Sometimes people determine they do not want to proceed after this. Sometimes it helps them determine they really do need this kind of help.
What’s not allowed is talk therapy designed to convince a person they’re something they are not. You’re not allowed to trick, guilt, or bully a trans person into thinking they are straight. Just like you’re not allowed to trick, guilt, or bully a straight person into thinking they are trans. Why would anybody support doing this?
thefrail158 on
So they decided to double down on their culture wars bullshit… it’s like they don’t ever want to form government
nightwing12 on
It’s all culture war bullshit and trying to make us more like the USA. These traitors will hand us over the first chance they get
t0mless on
>While a very narrow majority of delegates—52 per cent—voted in favour of opposing the ban.
I’m sorry, what? People in this day and age still support conversion therapy?
Oglark on
Sigh. Just 6 years we had MacKay
Chaiboiii on
I’m confused…where’s the overhaul? Seems like the same American garbage again with the same guy who lost his own seat in the election.
AloneChapter on
Big deal. Nothing they have done has value. Just like their leader.
Throwawaypwndulum on
Americanized rightoid slop, the CPC are terminally infected ideologically. Pathetic.
RefrigeratorOk648 on
So nothing about how to deal the US and protect Canada from them ?
The_King_of_Canada on
TLDR the conservative party are getting more and more right wing. Like republican right wing. Fuck that and fuck them.
Maximum_Error3083 on
Conversion therapy as a means to “pray the gay away” should not be supported or endorsed.
The problem is that the current policy also suggests that a psychologist who’s seeing a child with severe trauma and questions whether they are truly gender dysphoric or using it as a mask for other problems is engaging in conversion therapy.
That’s crazy. If you’re a mental health care professional and you are told the only response you can have to someone who’s dealing with a bunch of issues including gender identity is affirmation, then you’re telling them they can’t do their job. They have to be able to say “I don’t think you’re actually transgender, I think there’s other things going on here causing you to feel that way” if that’s what the situation leads them to conclude.
skyshroud6 on
How on earth are we in a place where debating conversion therapy is even a thing?
It’s widely accepted to be a hate based, homophobic practice that does nothing but traumatize those who go through it.
Knightofexcaliburv1 on
conversion therapy… are they stupid? this isn’t needed let people love who they want. they need to gut this whole party and bring in normal people
fusion_beaver on
The stupid thing is, there is a quality policy buried in that story.
>”Two-thirds of the delegates on hand agreed to give local officials the right to interview all prospective candidates for the nomination and recommend to the national candidate selection committee who should be able to run.
>That national organ should only be able to override local decisions “in exceptional circumstances,” and there will be an appeal mechanism, according to a constitutional change adopted by the convention.”
This is an attempt to combat the bullshit of parachuting candidates like Arphan Khan and Leslyn Lewis in. A deeply crappy practice that sucks no matter which party is doing it. Broken Clocks, twice a day…. gotta give them that one.
Everything else, though. Absolutely stupid.
– Stand your Ground…. we already have that, it’s called proportional reponse. Just ask how well castle law is going for the States. Really helped them out with that whole “public safety + resistance to tyranny” thing.
– Deporting Criminals… like who? Immigrant communities are some of the finest behaved in the country, because they already have so much to lose. This is virtue signalling, MAGA wannabe bs at its finest.
– Tacit endorsment of Conversion Therapy… This is why many will be A.B.C. to their dying breath. The So-Cons strike again.
nana-korobi-ya-oki on
Wow, could they have missed the boat more. Canada is being attacked economically at a period when we are already weak economically. Carney is flying around the world making trade deals and the conservatives big ideas are DEI and the same anti immigrant crap that is polling horribly in the states, which is a far more right wing country overall including the democrats. All you had to do was pick up the economy issue and make some suggestions. These people really have fucking rocks for brains.
chaosking243 on
What I’m getting out of this thread is that there are way too many people who want to live out their John Wick fantasy of murdering anyone who breaks into their house. The penalty for being found guilty of burglary isn’t death you maniacs. I’m all for defending yourself if you or your family are in danger (which you can already do with our current laws!) but you don’t get to kill someone for stealing or braking and entering. That’s insane. They have laws like this in the US and it’s led to things like people banging on a door and getting shot through it. We don’t need anything like that here in Canada. If you need to satisfy your raging need to shoot someone, move down south.
Subject_Bat_2112 on
History won’t repeat its self
DJspooner on
Oh boy, stand your ground castle doctrine in Canada. We don’t need to be giving people a free pass for lethal force outside of hyper specific circumstances. It’s caused so many preventable deaths in the states, innocent people blasted away by trigger happy morons because they wandered past an unmarked property line or tried to deliver a package to the wrong porch.
Drcdngame on
Well bringing US polocies into Canada is not going to work well in next election. What part of majority in canada do not want that here or MAGA
mlalonde07 on
The conservatives are a joke! Read the country omfg 🤣
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> Delegates at the Conservative Party’s national convention in Calgary voted overwhelmingly Saturday to enact a “stand your ground”-style law to allow someone to protect themselves with lethal force against an intruder in their home.
> This was one of dozens of policies debated and adopted by delegates at this biannual gathering, many of which focused on crime, immigration and social policy.
> An overwhelming number of delegates — again, about 77 per cent — also endorsed a policy to pursue immediate deportation of non-citizens in Canada convicted of a serious offence, with a “default permanent ban on re-entry” and provisions for “asset forfeiture” of foreign criminals forced to leave.
In relation to conversion therapy
“While a very narrow majority of delegates — 52 per cent — voted in favour of opposing the ban”
It’s fucking insane that over half the delegates are in favour of conversion therapy. Be thankful that 51% wasn’t enough for it to pass this time, but this section of the party is growing and will without a doubt push for this again.
conversion therapy is a gross idea and practice that most experts agree is child abuse shame on those who voted to oppose its ban.
But I was told they’re not homophobic bigots any longer!
[deleted]
They rely on people not actually reading their policy playbook and voting CPC because some media outlet made a bogyman out of the LPC.
These people are delusional if they think these are policies that appeal to a majority of Canadians. This is a platform of conservative wish fulfillment and little else.
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Wtf, why was there even a vote on conversion therapy.
Read the room, we got bigger problems. Watch Heated Rivalry like everyone else and get over it.
>While most policies sailed through with lopsided margins, one policy in particular revealed division in the party.
>Social conservative delegates pushed a resolution that would have made it official Conservative policy to oppose the existing “conversion therapy ban,” which was enacted by the last Liberal government.
>Former Conservative leader Erin O’Toole allowed it to pass unopposed even though some of his MPs wanted to vote against it, a decision that was a source of some tension at the time.
>The policy criminalizes the discredited practice of trying to change a person’s sexual orientation or gender identity.
>”We believe that parents have the right to arrange for body-affirming talk therapy for their gender-confused child, and we oppose the federal ‘Conversion Therapy Ban’ which criminalizes parents for doing so,” the proposed resolution read.
>The main sponsor, Jack Fonseca, director of political operations at anti-abortion group Campaign Life Coalition, said a change is needed to crack down on what he called “woke school teachers” who he alleged were encouraging gender transitions.
>While a very narrow majority of delegates — 52 per cent — voted in favour of opposing the ban, it failed to get a “double majority,” which requires resolutions to be passed not only by a majority of delegates but also by majorities in more than half the provinces and the three territories (which are counted as one jurisdiction).
>A majority of delegates from Manitoba, Quebec, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Labrador, Prince Edward Island and the territories stood against the call to restore a lax approach to a practice that many 2SLGBTQ+ people who have been subjected to it say was traumatizing.
Even when they have some decent ideas, they just can’t let go of the Social Conservative stink. I have zero doubt at this point that the Conversion therapy ban was the defining reason for O’Toole’s dethroning.
My house is my castle and shall be protected accordingly.
The CPC again prove how they need to split and form two parties again…
Conversion therapy? Seriously? In this day and age?
> “We believe that parents have the right to arrange for body-affirming talk therapy for their gender-confused child, and we oppose the federal ‘Conversion Therapy Ban’ which criminalizes parents for doing so,” the proposed resolution read.
Sad that they vote on a resolution that is so misleading. Anybody seeking gender affirming care in Canada is recommended to participate in talk therapy to help the person better understand themselves and what they really are. Sometimes people determine they do not want to proceed after this. Sometimes it helps them determine they really do need this kind of help.
What’s not allowed is talk therapy designed to convince a person they’re something they are not. You’re not allowed to trick, guilt, or bully a trans person into thinking they are straight. Just like you’re not allowed to trick, guilt, or bully a straight person into thinking they are trans. Why would anybody support doing this?
So they decided to double down on their culture wars bullshit… it’s like they don’t ever want to form government
It’s all culture war bullshit and trying to make us more like the USA. These traitors will hand us over the first chance they get
>While a very narrow majority of delegates—52 per cent—voted in favour of opposing the ban.
I’m sorry, what? People in this day and age still support conversion therapy?
Sigh. Just 6 years we had MacKay
I’m confused…where’s the overhaul? Seems like the same American garbage again with the same guy who lost his own seat in the election.
Big deal. Nothing they have done has value. Just like their leader.
Americanized rightoid slop, the CPC are terminally infected ideologically. Pathetic.
So nothing about how to deal the US and protect Canada from them ?
TLDR the conservative party are getting more and more right wing. Like republican right wing. Fuck that and fuck them.
Conversion therapy as a means to “pray the gay away” should not be supported or endorsed.
The problem is that the current policy also suggests that a psychologist who’s seeing a child with severe trauma and questions whether they are truly gender dysphoric or using it as a mask for other problems is engaging in conversion therapy.
That’s crazy. If you’re a mental health care professional and you are told the only response you can have to someone who’s dealing with a bunch of issues including gender identity is affirmation, then you’re telling them they can’t do their job. They have to be able to say “I don’t think you’re actually transgender, I think there’s other things going on here causing you to feel that way” if that’s what the situation leads them to conclude.
How on earth are we in a place where debating conversion therapy is even a thing?
It’s widely accepted to be a hate based, homophobic practice that does nothing but traumatize those who go through it.
conversion therapy… are they stupid? this isn’t needed let people love who they want. they need to gut this whole party and bring in normal people
The stupid thing is, there is a quality policy buried in that story.
>”Two-thirds of the delegates on hand agreed to give local officials the right to interview all prospective candidates for the nomination and recommend to the national candidate selection committee who should be able to run.
>That national organ should only be able to override local decisions “in exceptional circumstances,” and there will be an appeal mechanism, according to a constitutional change adopted by the convention.”
This is an attempt to combat the bullshit of parachuting candidates like Arphan Khan and Leslyn Lewis in. A deeply crappy practice that sucks no matter which party is doing it. Broken Clocks, twice a day…. gotta give them that one.
Everything else, though. Absolutely stupid.
– Stand your Ground…. we already have that, it’s called proportional reponse. Just ask how well castle law is going for the States. Really helped them out with that whole “public safety + resistance to tyranny” thing.
– Deporting Criminals… like who? Immigrant communities are some of the finest behaved in the country, because they already have so much to lose. This is virtue signalling, MAGA wannabe bs at its finest.
– Tacit endorsment of Conversion Therapy… This is why many will be A.B.C. to their dying breath. The So-Cons strike again.
Wow, could they have missed the boat more. Canada is being attacked economically at a period when we are already weak economically. Carney is flying around the world making trade deals and the conservatives big ideas are DEI and the same anti immigrant crap that is polling horribly in the states, which is a far more right wing country overall including the democrats. All you had to do was pick up the economy issue and make some suggestions. These people really have fucking rocks for brains.
What I’m getting out of this thread is that there are way too many people who want to live out their John Wick fantasy of murdering anyone who breaks into their house. The penalty for being found guilty of burglary isn’t death you maniacs. I’m all for defending yourself if you or your family are in danger (which you can already do with our current laws!) but you don’t get to kill someone for stealing or braking and entering. That’s insane. They have laws like this in the US and it’s led to things like people banging on a door and getting shot through it. We don’t need anything like that here in Canada. If you need to satisfy your raging need to shoot someone, move down south.
History won’t repeat its self
Oh boy, stand your ground castle doctrine in Canada. We don’t need to be giving people a free pass for lethal force outside of hyper specific circumstances. It’s caused so many preventable deaths in the states, innocent people blasted away by trigger happy morons because they wandered past an unmarked property line or tried to deliver a package to the wrong porch.
Well bringing US polocies into Canada is not going to work well in next election. What part of majority in canada do not want that here or MAGA
The conservatives are a joke! Read the country omfg 🤣
Overhauling so much they voted pp back with 87%?