So the government listened to it’s constituents and accepted their wishes, and now said constituents are unhappy with what they requested? This is almost Leopards ate my Face material.
Topblokelikehodgey on
Lol sucked in
Kremm0 on
I think it’s a fair comment that they’ve got these two giant concrete areas that have sat unoccupied and vacant for ten years, trying to get the government to do something with it. Seems like it’s zoned for development, but nothing to stop it being land banked for a long time to come.
Poor of LXRP to just deny any temporary activation of the space.
Should the Frankston line have had skyrail over sections of it? Yeah probably. The run on the way to Frankston is pretty straight and boring, and is bounded by roads both sides. Pretty difficult to easily cross the space as it is, although might not have been much better with skyrail without more crossings etc.
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At either end of Cheltenham station sit two giant, vacant concrete platforms that locals say are draining the life from the community.
Fenced off and ringed with dead weeds, the concrete slabs have stood empty since the level crossings at either end of the train station were removed in 2020.
It’s ugly,” says Derek Screen, president of the Pennydale Residents Action Group. “We tried to find out from VicTrack, which owns the land, if there was any way we could have it turned into a temporary park, put down some grass, some potted trees or whatever, but were told: ‘No, it’s too dangerous.’”
On hot days, the forbidding concrete surfaces, each roughly 2000 square metres in size, radiate heat and make the precinct a hostile place, Screen says.
If you’re on the station underneath, you can feel the heat coming down. The heat island effect from those concrete blocks is ridiculous.”
When the government began removing several level crossings along the Frankston line – including two at Cheltenham – a decade ago, Labor faced a fierce and organised community campaign against building elevated rail – or “sky rail” – anywhere along the line.
Mostly, the community got its wish. Of the 21 crossings removed on the Frankston line so far, 13 have been replaced with a trench, six with a rail bridge, and two involved a road closure.
Central Cheltenham’s lifeless public spaces are a legacy of that victory.
Long-term resident Kylie Fennessy recalls the fight against the sky rail proposal, and says while most people got what they wanted, she now views with envy the linear strip of land that has been opened up beneath the new rail bridge in Parkdale – one of the few places on the Frankston line where the railway was elevated.
“It’s great. It’s got all the parks underneath, there’s car parking, gardens, an outdoor gym. When you go past any time of the day, people are using the space,” Fennessy said.
Fennessy believes the vocal community that lobbied against elevated rail pushed the government to build something better beneath the bridges, while Cheltenham was left with lifeless public spaces.
“It just seems like there has been an effort to make the sky rail precinct workable, to have services and look nice, and that’s just not what happened in our area,” Fennessy said.
Dr John Stone co-wrote a Melbourne University-RMIT joint study 10 years ago, which analysed more than 150 years of level crossing removals in Melbourne, and concluded that elevating the rail line had brought more public benefit than other techniques, including trenches.
Subsequent work by his urban design students concluded that the Frankston and Upfield lines were the best candidates in Melbourne for elevated rail, because of the high number of closely clustered level crossings.
“When people started to test different ideas, it was nearly always the case – unless there were particular issues with geography – that rail up gave you the best outcome because it gave you a large linear corridor of new land, and it also gave a different experience for the train traveller, particularly with all those bay views that you would have got,” Stone said.
Stone, an honorary transport planning lecturer at the University of Melbourne, said “the noisy politics of the moment” won out over good planning along the Frankston line.
“The Labor Party blinked in the face of a lot of community opposition. Putting the rail in a trench in so many places along the Frankston line was a backwards step,” he said.
Last month, the state government initiated a plan to build higher-density housing on Cheltenham’s concrete platforms, rezoning them, along with one other piece of VicTrack land in Cheltenham and one further south along the line in Mentone, for apartments.
The four sites have been given preferred height limits of between six and eight storeys. A planning amendment, gazetted in January, rezoned the land “to assist with meeting state government [housing] targets for middle Melbourne”.
The zoning change was completed at the request of property developer Hallmarc, which is in the final stages of developing a 245-apartment project in neighbouring Highett.
Hallmarc declined to comment about its aspirations for the Cheltenham sites, arguing it would be inappropriate given the land is currently owned by the state.
Planning documents from 2017 indicate the government sought from the outset to create spaces above the tracks at Cheltenham for “transit-oriented development”.
It’s not the only level crossing removal on the Frankston line eyed for housing.
An even larger concrete platform was built above the rail trench at Ormond station, although it also remains undeveloped, almost 10 years after plans to build a housing tower there were first put forward.
A spokesperson for the Allan government said 367 new homes would be built on land freed up from the level crossing removal program, including a 115-apartment building completed at Gardiner station in 2023, 45 apartments under construction in Rosanna and a 97-home social housing development in Noble Park.
Kingston City Council said the concrete platforms had been earmarked for development since 2016, and that this aligned with the council’s own housing strategy.
“Being that these prominent spaces have stood vacant for an extended period, we have received regular queries from traders and residents seeking their activation.”
The council said it had written to the Level Crossing Removal Project to request their temporary activation. “That request was unfortunately declined.”
OrdinaryDependent396 on
What an attraction all those Bay views would have been. Oh, well.
EducationalShake6773 on
On one hand yes it’s very funny that the rich landlord NIMBYs got punished here, on the other hand I’ll bet LRX / VicLabor left the concrete eyesore there as a mean spirited punishment, which is a fucked up thing for a government to do given the space is ostensibly for everyone in perpetuity. So yeah… this only gets a half snort from me.
lime_eldoro on
I’ve walked by both these spots for years and it’s pretty weird how unfinished they look compared to other stations. Real ugly eyesore, and they really do bounce heat like crazy on a hot day.
mcsmac on
Happy as a resident near the upfield skyrail that they listened to the experts and raised the tracks. The only places I notice the rail in the skyline is on the roads where it crosses over and near the stations and the space opened up underneath is great.
soundboy5010 on
Leopard meet faces.
Vocal residents described sky rail as bringing bare concrete filled with graffiti, no privacy and blank land that’s difficult to fill in and maintain.
Oh wait, no that’s the outcome of the trench. Nevermind.
crisbeebacon on
Drawing the life of the community may be a bit extreme. The coffee shops along Charman Rd and Station st are doing just fine and it’s much easier to get to the park. It’s better than the old station set up. Would it be better with a skyrail looming over Charman rd? Unsure, I recall voting for skyrail in the LXR feedback but not fussed either way.
Giddyurp on
NIMBYs got what they deserved
Steve00 on
Its been a long time since i worked on the project but i certainly dont remeber there being huge amounts of empty space on either side in the original design that we all worked on. Would be interesting to see what was meant to be there
foundoutafterlunch on
From what I understand, and not being a voter at the time of the decision, the biggest fear from the locals was the noise. So, is the noise of the trains worse at Parkdale than Cheltenham now?
foundoutafterlunch on
BTW, I’ve tried to find artists impressions of the options for all the Frankston stations above ground options, but can’t. Anyone know where to find them?
Bocca013 on
Pretty sure I remember they made the Cheltenham and Mentone crossings go under because of the huge “uproar” over Skyrail. Not like the Rage and their other media mates would admit they contributed to that “uproar”
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The locals clowns got their wish and now they have to live with it.
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So the government listened to it’s constituents and accepted their wishes, and now said constituents are unhappy with what they requested? This is almost Leopards ate my Face material.
Lol sucked in
I think it’s a fair comment that they’ve got these two giant concrete areas that have sat unoccupied and vacant for ten years, trying to get the government to do something with it. Seems like it’s zoned for development, but nothing to stop it being land banked for a long time to come.
Poor of LXRP to just deny any temporary activation of the space.
Should the Frankston line have had skyrail over sections of it? Yeah probably. The run on the way to Frankston is pretty straight and boring, and is bounded by roads both sides. Pretty difficult to easily cross the space as it is, although might not have been much better with skyrail without more crossings etc.
At either end of Cheltenham station sit two giant, vacant concrete platforms that locals say are draining the life from the community.
Fenced off and ringed with dead weeds, the concrete slabs have stood empty since the level crossings at either end of the train station were removed in 2020.
It’s ugly,” says Derek Screen, president of the Pennydale Residents Action Group. “We tried to find out from VicTrack, which owns the land, if there was any way we could have it turned into a temporary park, put down some grass, some potted trees or whatever, but were told: ‘No, it’s too dangerous.’”
On hot days, the forbidding concrete surfaces, each roughly 2000 square metres in size, radiate heat and make the precinct a hostile place, Screen says.
If you’re on the station underneath, you can feel the heat coming down. The heat island effect from those concrete blocks is ridiculous.”
When the government began removing several level crossings along the Frankston line – including two at Cheltenham – a decade ago, Labor faced a fierce and organised community campaign against building elevated rail – or “sky rail” – anywhere along the line.
Mostly, the community got its wish. Of the 21 crossings removed on the Frankston line so far, 13 have been replaced with a trench, six with a rail bridge, and two involved a road closure.
Central Cheltenham’s lifeless public spaces are a legacy of that victory.
Long-term resident Kylie Fennessy recalls the fight against the sky rail proposal, and says while most people got what they wanted, she now views with envy the linear strip of land that has been opened up beneath the new rail bridge in Parkdale – one of the few places on the Frankston line where the railway was elevated.
“It’s great. It’s got all the parks underneath, there’s car parking, gardens, an outdoor gym. When you go past any time of the day, people are using the space,” Fennessy said.
Fennessy believes the vocal community that lobbied against elevated rail pushed the government to build something better beneath the bridges, while Cheltenham was left with lifeless public spaces.
“It just seems like there has been an effort to make the sky rail precinct workable, to have services and look nice, and that’s just not what happened in our area,” Fennessy said.
Dr John Stone co-wrote a Melbourne University-RMIT joint study 10 years ago, which analysed more than 150 years of level crossing removals in Melbourne, and concluded that elevating the rail line had brought more public benefit than other techniques, including trenches.
Subsequent work by his urban design students concluded that the Frankston and Upfield lines were the best candidates in Melbourne for elevated rail, because of the high number of closely clustered level crossings.
“When people started to test different ideas, it was nearly always the case – unless there were particular issues with geography – that rail up gave you the best outcome because it gave you a large linear corridor of new land, and it also gave a different experience for the train traveller, particularly with all those bay views that you would have got,” Stone said.
Stone, an honorary transport planning lecturer at the University of Melbourne, said “the noisy politics of the moment” won out over good planning along the Frankston line.
“The Labor Party blinked in the face of a lot of community opposition. Putting the rail in a trench in so many places along the Frankston line was a backwards step,” he said.
Last month, the state government initiated a plan to build higher-density housing on Cheltenham’s concrete platforms, rezoning them, along with one other piece of VicTrack land in Cheltenham and one further south along the line in Mentone, for apartments.
The four sites have been given preferred height limits of between six and eight storeys. A planning amendment, gazetted in January, rezoned the land “to assist with meeting state government [housing] targets for middle Melbourne”.
The zoning change was completed at the request of property developer Hallmarc, which is in the final stages of developing a 245-apartment project in neighbouring Highett.
Hallmarc declined to comment about its aspirations for the Cheltenham sites, arguing it would be inappropriate given the land is currently owned by the state.
Planning documents from 2017 indicate the government sought from the outset to create spaces above the tracks at Cheltenham for “transit-oriented development”.
It’s not the only level crossing removal on the Frankston line eyed for housing.
An even larger concrete platform was built above the rail trench at Ormond station, although it also remains undeveloped, almost 10 years after plans to build a housing tower there were first put forward.
A spokesperson for the Allan government said 367 new homes would be built on land freed up from the level crossing removal program, including a 115-apartment building completed at Gardiner station in 2023, 45 apartments under construction in Rosanna and a 97-home social housing development in Noble Park.
Kingston City Council said the concrete platforms had been earmarked for development since 2016, and that this aligned with the council’s own housing strategy.
“Being that these prominent spaces have stood vacant for an extended period, we have received regular queries from traders and residents seeking their activation.”
The council said it had written to the Level Crossing Removal Project to request their temporary activation. “That request was unfortunately declined.”
What an attraction all those Bay views would have been. Oh, well.
On one hand yes it’s very funny that the rich landlord NIMBYs got punished here, on the other hand I’ll bet LRX / VicLabor left the concrete eyesore there as a mean spirited punishment, which is a fucked up thing for a government to do given the space is ostensibly for everyone in perpetuity. So yeah… this only gets a half snort from me.
I’ve walked by both these spots for years and it’s pretty weird how unfinished they look compared to other stations. Real ugly eyesore, and they really do bounce heat like crazy on a hot day.
Happy as a resident near the upfield skyrail that they listened to the experts and raised the tracks. The only places I notice the rail in the skyline is on the roads where it crosses over and near the stations and the space opened up underneath is great.
Leopard meet faces.
Vocal residents described sky rail as bringing bare concrete filled with graffiti, no privacy and blank land that’s difficult to fill in and maintain.
Oh wait, no that’s the outcome of the trench. Nevermind.
Drawing the life of the community may be a bit extreme. The coffee shops along Charman Rd and Station st are doing just fine and it’s much easier to get to the park. It’s better than the old station set up. Would it be better with a skyrail looming over Charman rd? Unsure, I recall voting for skyrail in the LXR feedback but not fussed either way.
NIMBYs got what they deserved
Its been a long time since i worked on the project but i certainly dont remeber there being huge amounts of empty space on either side in the original design that we all worked on. Would be interesting to see what was meant to be there
From what I understand, and not being a voter at the time of the decision, the biggest fear from the locals was the noise. So, is the noise of the trains worse at Parkdale than Cheltenham now?
BTW, I’ve tried to find artists impressions of the options for all the Frankston stations above ground options, but can’t. Anyone know where to find them?
Pretty sure I remember they made the Cheltenham and Mentone crossings go under because of the huge “uproar” over Skyrail. Not like the Rage and their other media mates would admit they contributed to that “uproar”