Prediction markets have the Greens as significant favourites for the by-election at around 2/3 chance of winning. Not that they are the be all and end all of course.
woods1468 on
Both Labour and the Greens will be pointing to polls that show them ahead of the other. Both exist, I believe Labour are ahead on average but that’s not factoring in internal polling and the Find Out Now poll was far from the best quality.
They will probably be doing this all the way till election day. Reform will probably win despite left wing parties getting more than 50 percent of the vote.
Hopefully this isn’t a prelude to the general election.
RoyaleWCheese_OK on
And both behind Labour. So who really cares.. second place is the first loser spot and means nothing.
concretepigeon on
How could they possibly know to that level of accuracy?
jangrol on
Seriously, how are the press not treating this (really bloody obvious) attempt at squeezing labour voters with the skepticism it deserves.
Tasty_Importance_216 on
I’m still shocked that a party that sits down with 5pillars is considered progressive. Is crazy
Cornirog on
Labour will win.
Reform are being found out as the fascists they are…..
Impressive-Bird-6085 on
After all of the pro-Green hype about a Green Party, if it fails to win and Reform UK sneaks a victory in the seat on a low vote share, I suspect that Polanski and the Green Party will be pilloried and face a fierce backlash.
Time-Caterpillar4103 on
All these by-elections are a complete boon to Labour. Lose now and it’s not a big thing, the voters will get to see what it’s like living under a reform local government before the general election. Win and it’s business as usual.
Goosepond01 on
Honestly I’m terrified if either party ever manages to actually lead the country, I don’t think either has any realistic plans or ability to do well, Greens are more palatable ideologically but both terrible for the economy and UK
aleopardstail on
there is one poll that matters, the one on the day
it should be prohibited to publish polls during the election period, something France gets right
comina_media on
We desperately need electoral reform to some sort of PR….our system isn’t fit for purpose. The current Government is not bringing it in though since FPTP has suited them well thus far and they’re banking on fear of Reform making people vote for them in the next GE. That’s a dangerous game and fhey could easily let.Reroem throufh the middle with an increasingly fractured left of centre vote.
Available_Monitor_92 on
Isn’t he the guy that could hypnotize women to get bigger boobs 😂 maybe he’s started hypnotizing to get votes.
dontbelieveawordof1t on
Just remember that if the green party get anywhere near government this country is totally fucked.
WhuppdyDoo on
The entrance of these woke extremists as a major player in British politics should be worrying to everyone.
Look at what happened in the United States when the wokes had too much influence over the Democratic Party.
They had an all-consuming culture war from which Trump emerged victorious. Even with his taking off the mask, revealing the face authoritarian fascism, he still retains the support of a large percentage of the country. Their hatred of the wokes, made them rabid.
I don’t even think woke ideology is defensible from a practical results and policy implementation point of view. But that’s almost irrelevant when we know where it ends from politic dynamics. It ends with the far-right winning. The wokes don’t have the numbers and never will have the numbers, because it is inherently a belief system for the comfortable middle classes, and even then, only a subset of the comfortable middle classes. Right-wing nationalism, in contrast, has the power to gain over 50% of the electorate.
After Corbyn, we can’t afford to throw another election to this student politics.
Slightscribbles on
If you want some hope, look to the insane win Mamdani just had as NYC Mayor. He went for socialist policies, rent control, increased taxes for billionaires, free childcare, and he’s already delivering on his promises, with daily announcements!
Zack Polanski’s been labelled the British Mamdani and I’m really excited to see how he lives up to that. So far I’m really impressed, and it’s a relief to see a leader with a clear moral compass.
It’s become really evident lately that it’s not about left vs right, it’s top vs down and right now I feel like voting for the Greens is the chance we’ve been waiting for to start fixing the country so we can thrive in future.
This constant lurch towards isolationism and tribalism isn’t working, and America is doing a brilliant job of showing us what our future could look like if we don’t start voting for people who prioritise us instead of working for their biggest donors interest.
💚
MurkyAl on
I’m in this constituency and a green party member and I can tell you that the green party’s strategy with this by-election is to confuse people into tactically voting for them.
This article is part of that misinformation campaign. Everyday they send another leaflet saying it’s between them and reform and labour then send one saying it’s labour Vs reform. Green have published a random small sample poll and then had to apologise for it as the researcher told them they aren’t allowed to use it. Another graph they sent out quoted the change in the votes but made it look like raw vote share. Then they sent the bookies odds as percentages probabilities of winning despite these are based on people betting not real data. The bookies predicted remain would win 70%, how wrong they were. They filled the area with campaigners in a way I’ve never seen before all saying the same thing of green vs reform.
Everyone I talk to in my constituency is just confused as to who is in the lead. Everyone is saying “anyone but reform”. Maybe I’m wrong and they’ll win but they were firmly third in the polls and would need to take over 50% of labours predicted vote from polls in January to take the seat which seems unlikely.
Winning votes through deliberately misrepresentation of data is a shitty strategy and not the sort of party I support
big-eye101 on
You know, you could also just not split the vote and just prevent Reform from getting in, prevent the subsequent reform leading headlines and even more news coverage, as well as fuel for their propaganda feeds. But oh well
Mr_XcX on
Reform hopefully win. Then Starmer is gone and about time too.
dbxp on
Polls aren’t that accurate so this is meaningless. The figures the Greens were using in their own ads showed labour clearly ahead then Reform and the Greens in close third
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Prediction markets have the Greens as significant favourites for the by-election at around 2/3 chance of winning. Not that they are the be all and end all of course.
Both Labour and the Greens will be pointing to polls that show them ahead of the other. Both exist, I believe Labour are ahead on average but that’s not factoring in internal polling and the Find Out Now poll was far from the best quality.
They will probably be doing this all the way till election day. Reform will probably win despite left wing parties getting more than 50 percent of the vote.
Hopefully this isn’t a prelude to the general election.
And both behind Labour. So who really cares.. second place is the first loser spot and means nothing.
How could they possibly know to that level of accuracy?
Seriously, how are the press not treating this (really bloody obvious) attempt at squeezing labour voters with the skepticism it deserves.
I’m still shocked that a party that sits down with 5pillars is considered progressive. Is crazy
Labour will win.
Reform are being found out as the fascists they are…..
After all of the pro-Green hype about a Green Party, if it fails to win and Reform UK sneaks a victory in the seat on a low vote share, I suspect that Polanski and the Green Party will be pilloried and face a fierce backlash.
All these by-elections are a complete boon to Labour. Lose now and it’s not a big thing, the voters will get to see what it’s like living under a reform local government before the general election. Win and it’s business as usual.
Honestly I’m terrified if either party ever manages to actually lead the country, I don’t think either has any realistic plans or ability to do well, Greens are more palatable ideologically but both terrible for the economy and UK
there is one poll that matters, the one on the day
it should be prohibited to publish polls during the election period, something France gets right
We desperately need electoral reform to some sort of PR….our system isn’t fit for purpose. The current Government is not bringing it in though since FPTP has suited them well thus far and they’re banking on fear of Reform making people vote for them in the next GE. That’s a dangerous game and fhey could easily let.Reroem throufh the middle with an increasingly fractured left of centre vote.
Isn’t he the guy that could hypnotize women to get bigger boobs 😂 maybe he’s started hypnotizing to get votes.
Just remember that if the green party get anywhere near government this country is totally fucked.
The entrance of these woke extremists as a major player in British politics should be worrying to everyone.
Look at what happened in the United States when the wokes had too much influence over the Democratic Party.
They had an all-consuming culture war from which Trump emerged victorious. Even with his taking off the mask, revealing the face authoritarian fascism, he still retains the support of a large percentage of the country. Their hatred of the wokes, made them rabid.
I don’t even think woke ideology is defensible from a practical results and policy implementation point of view. But that’s almost irrelevant when we know where it ends from politic dynamics. It ends with the far-right winning. The wokes don’t have the numbers and never will have the numbers, because it is inherently a belief system for the comfortable middle classes, and even then, only a subset of the comfortable middle classes. Right-wing nationalism, in contrast, has the power to gain over 50% of the electorate.
After Corbyn, we can’t afford to throw another election to this student politics.
If you want some hope, look to the insane win Mamdani just had as NYC Mayor. He went for socialist policies, rent control, increased taxes for billionaires, free childcare, and he’s already delivering on his promises, with daily announcements!
Zack Polanski’s been labelled the British Mamdani and I’m really excited to see how he lives up to that. So far I’m really impressed, and it’s a relief to see a leader with a clear moral compass.
It’s become really evident lately that it’s not about left vs right, it’s top vs down and right now I feel like voting for the Greens is the chance we’ve been waiting for to start fixing the country so we can thrive in future.
This constant lurch towards isolationism and tribalism isn’t working, and America is doing a brilliant job of showing us what our future could look like if we don’t start voting for people who prioritise us instead of working for their biggest donors interest.
💚
I’m in this constituency and a green party member and I can tell you that the green party’s strategy with this by-election is to confuse people into tactically voting for them.
This article is part of that misinformation campaign. Everyday they send another leaflet saying it’s between them and reform and labour then send one saying it’s labour Vs reform. Green have published a random small sample poll and then had to apologise for it as the researcher told them they aren’t allowed to use it. Another graph they sent out quoted the change in the votes but made it look like raw vote share. Then they sent the bookies odds as percentages probabilities of winning despite these are based on people betting not real data. The bookies predicted remain would win 70%, how wrong they were. They filled the area with campaigners in a way I’ve never seen before all saying the same thing of green vs reform.
Everyone I talk to in my constituency is just confused as to who is in the lead. Everyone is saying “anyone but reform”. Maybe I’m wrong and they’ll win but they were firmly third in the polls and would need to take over 50% of labours predicted vote from polls in January to take the seat which seems unlikely.
Winning votes through deliberately misrepresentation of data is a shitty strategy and not the sort of party I support
You know, you could also just not split the vote and just prevent Reform from getting in, prevent the subsequent reform leading headlines and even more news coverage, as well as fuel for their propaganda feeds. But oh well
Reform hopefully win. Then Starmer is gone and about time too.
Polls aren’t that accurate so this is meaningless. The figures the Greens were using in their own ads showed labour clearly ahead then Reform and the Greens in close third