Will everyone have to share their age to exist on the internet in the future? How much anonymity can remain with data breaches, privacy violations, and lack of trust in big tech?
Adeldor on
Some suspect governments use obviously sensitive issues such as child protection, fight against terrorism, etc as vehicles to get passed rules with more nefarious intentions, such as these age checks, the “know your customer” bank rules in the US, etc.
internetgog on
Can’t the government issue a certificate to its citizens with no data attached, just an ID? You would use that certificate when creating an account. The social platform would ask the government whether the person is allowed to create the account. No sensitive dsta would be stored or transmitted.
13lueChicken on
No.
SaaS is not the only way.
You can host your own stuff.
Try it. You just might like it.
colemon1991 on
We still have data privacy? /s
Microsoft is taking like a gig of data from every Windows computer per day if you don’t disable the features. Every use of AI is saved. Your data usage with social media and stuff is sold between companies to curate ads and build on AI. As long as you’re providing identifiable info on accounts, like phone number, birthday, IP address, credit card, they can map out your internet fingerprint and probably know your full name and address. Even your phones and Alexa and everything is able to record what you say and do. I’ve already had internet browsers autofill my search because it picked up what was said on the microphone in the last minute.
Data privacy is rare today. Some companies take pride in it, but most don’t. And data security leaves a lot to be desired because everything has to be connected to the internet.
All age verification is doing is shortening the timetable and effort required to identify the internet fingerprint. You submit your drivers license or use your credit card or whatever is required and your age and they have a lot of your information to start with, including IP address, that can be connected easily. It puts a face and name to your internet history.
Most of our problems stem from terms of service and revisions to those. You agree to terms when you sign up but they update them and basically say “you have to agree to keep using our services” so your data is held hostage. They update terms of service to give them more and more control, like the right to your photos, with those changes. And the changes affect everything you’ve already done as well, but you can’t shut it down without access so you have to say yes to even take your stuff down, but they already have all that data thanks to the new terms of service agreement. So we get forced to agree that they can sell our data and spam us with ads and can’t (class action) sue for reasonable reasons and whatever else they want.
OneOnOne6211 on
I think you’ve got that backwards. The point of age verification is not to verify ages, and by unfortunate side effect it undermines everyone’s data protection. The point of age verification is to undermine people’s data protection, and the excuse is that it’s to verify ages.
jgoldrb48 on
Me googling photo of “old white man with beard” and adding it to my age verification profile.
note: YMMV
salomo926 on
It’s not about “protecting children” at all. The whole goal of this worldwide is surveillance and control. Obviously.
_Zekken on
Is there any actual proof or data that shows that any of this age verification stuff actually *works* at reducing the problems that it claims to reduce?
Are we actually getting more child safety etc on platforms that have age verification in exchange for losing our data privacy?
Va1crist on
No shit , this excuse to protect children has always been to take your personal data and or control what you do
sebastian404 on
Before Elon took over Twitter I had stopped using it, I’m an old man now and I actually created the account in 2006 when it was still called twttr.
They recently sent me an email that said they had ‘detected’ I was under 13 and had disabled my account and I needed to provide goverment ID to recover it.
So despite the account being nearly 20 years old at that point and I’d not logged in for a year+, they suddenly ‘detected’ I was under 13.. clearly I’d created the account many years before being born.
I’m very reluctant to give anyone proof of ID, but Elon is top of the list of people I’d not trust, and while thats no real loss, its a sobering thought about accounts I do care about…
untilzero on
It’s funny to me that any of you plebs think you actually have any privacy or anonymity online.
You use a fresh browser install on a torchable VM using a mail-in cash Mullvad account connected to TOR?
No? Then $100 says FAANG (or whatever the fuck we’re calling them now) and Palantir knows exactly who you are, and all your bullshit throwaway accounts, etc.
Won’t be long before some blackhat puts together an LLM that will let anyone look y’all up at the click of a button for a fee.
r1012 on
I am not a specialist, but I believe it is possible for a third party site trusted by the user to confirm his age above a certain value. If we can buy stuff securely, we can confirm ages.
pgcd on
Age verification could be solved in a number of different ways – for instance, you must be over 18 to have an Italian (and other countries) credit card.
But then I remember when I wanted to order some vape-related stuff from Amazon and I had to verify my age *on my 20-year old account*, and I know they’re not going to care about any other reasonable option.
herodesfalsk on
Remember, who is behind this; the elites.
We have seen how much they care about child safety: zero. They are only after your data, location, freedom of thought so they can easier control you
herodesfalsk on
Remember, who is behind this; the elites.
We have seen how much they care about child safety: zero. They are only after your data, location, freedom of thought so they can easier control you
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Will everyone have to share their age to exist on the internet in the future? How much anonymity can remain with data breaches, privacy violations, and lack of trust in big tech?
Some suspect governments use obviously sensitive issues such as child protection, fight against terrorism, etc as vehicles to get passed rules with more nefarious intentions, such as these age checks, the “know your customer” bank rules in the US, etc.
Can’t the government issue a certificate to its citizens with no data attached, just an ID? You would use that certificate when creating an account. The social platform would ask the government whether the person is allowed to create the account. No sensitive dsta would be stored or transmitted.
No.
SaaS is not the only way.
You can host your own stuff.
Try it. You just might like it.
We still have data privacy? /s
Microsoft is taking like a gig of data from every Windows computer per day if you don’t disable the features. Every use of AI is saved. Your data usage with social media and stuff is sold between companies to curate ads and build on AI. As long as you’re providing identifiable info on accounts, like phone number, birthday, IP address, credit card, they can map out your internet fingerprint and probably know your full name and address. Even your phones and Alexa and everything is able to record what you say and do. I’ve already had internet browsers autofill my search because it picked up what was said on the microphone in the last minute.
Data privacy is rare today. Some companies take pride in it, but most don’t. And data security leaves a lot to be desired because everything has to be connected to the internet.
All age verification is doing is shortening the timetable and effort required to identify the internet fingerprint. You submit your drivers license or use your credit card or whatever is required and your age and they have a lot of your information to start with, including IP address, that can be connected easily. It puts a face and name to your internet history.
Most of our problems stem from terms of service and revisions to those. You agree to terms when you sign up but they update them and basically say “you have to agree to keep using our services” so your data is held hostage. They update terms of service to give them more and more control, like the right to your photos, with those changes. And the changes affect everything you’ve already done as well, but you can’t shut it down without access so you have to say yes to even take your stuff down, but they already have all that data thanks to the new terms of service agreement. So we get forced to agree that they can sell our data and spam us with ads and can’t (class action) sue for reasonable reasons and whatever else they want.
I think you’ve got that backwards. The point of age verification is not to verify ages, and by unfortunate side effect it undermines everyone’s data protection. The point of age verification is to undermine people’s data protection, and the excuse is that it’s to verify ages.
Me googling photo of “old white man with beard” and adding it to my age verification profile.
note: YMMV
It’s not about “protecting children” at all. The whole goal of this worldwide is surveillance and control. Obviously.
Is there any actual proof or data that shows that any of this age verification stuff actually *works* at reducing the problems that it claims to reduce?
Are we actually getting more child safety etc on platforms that have age verification in exchange for losing our data privacy?
No shit , this excuse to protect children has always been to take your personal data and or control what you do
Before Elon took over Twitter I had stopped using it, I’m an old man now and I actually created the account in 2006 when it was still called twttr.
They recently sent me an email that said they had ‘detected’ I was under 13 and had disabled my account and I needed to provide goverment ID to recover it.
So despite the account being nearly 20 years old at that point and I’d not logged in for a year+, they suddenly ‘detected’ I was under 13.. clearly I’d created the account many years before being born.
I’m very reluctant to give anyone proof of ID, but Elon is top of the list of people I’d not trust, and while thats no real loss, its a sobering thought about accounts I do care about…
It’s funny to me that any of you plebs think you actually have any privacy or anonymity online.
You use a fresh browser install on a torchable VM using a mail-in cash Mullvad account connected to TOR?
No? Then $100 says FAANG (or whatever the fuck we’re calling them now) and Palantir knows exactly who you are, and all your bullshit throwaway accounts, etc.
Won’t be long before some blackhat puts together an LLM that will let anyone look y’all up at the click of a button for a fee.
I am not a specialist, but I believe it is possible for a third party site trusted by the user to confirm his age above a certain value. If we can buy stuff securely, we can confirm ages.
Age verification could be solved in a number of different ways – for instance, you must be over 18 to have an Italian (and other countries) credit card.
But then I remember when I wanted to order some vape-related stuff from Amazon and I had to verify my age *on my 20-year old account*, and I know they’re not going to care about any other reasonable option.
Remember, who is behind this; the elites.
We have seen how much they care about child safety: zero. They are only after your data, location, freedom of thought so they can easier control you
Remember, who is behind this; the elites.
We have seen how much they care about child safety: zero. They are only after your data, location, freedom of thought so they can easier control you