It’s a very interesting result because European Muslims are very conservative but vote for the left wing I would assume primarily due to self interest.
But again social issues are secondary at the moment which is why you see such a strong leftist and Muslim alliance in the UK and really throughout Europe.
I would argue this will come to a head eventually.
ErlendPistolbrett on
Could you post some sources in the comments, with links?
lukei1 on
Also not that surprising considering most right wing parties openly hate Muslims
Jon_see_nah on
They become right wing when they become majority provided the right wing government is follow Muslim ideologies. They cannot truly ever be left wing given how anti LGBTQ they are
Monsjoex on
So they vote for more redistribution and also for open borders. Surprise pickachu?
Even_Power6598 on
The relationship between European muslims and left-wing parties is mostly just that of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. Doesn’t mean that the two groups necessarily have a lot in common.
omry1526 on
Surely it’s a coincidence that these parties support bringing more of them to EuropeÂ
araujoms on
This is r/dataisbeautiful, ffs, it’s not r/dataislowres.
noma887 on
The political space in most European democracies is two dimensional at least. “Left” means different things
arepotatoesreal on
Right wing parties are actively hostile towards them, it’s an awkward alliance that will break as soon as there’s a better option for muslims. They are still deeply conservative.
CavemanSlevy on
I feel like this will only further polarize the issue of immigration in EuropeÂ
Genocode on
for the Netherlands, DENK is not left wing.
Simbertold on
I think this is explained in a similar way as the fact that for example Turkish people in Germany tend to vote more conservatively in Turkish elections.
The people who are less conservative become Germans, and thus no longer vote in Turkish elections.
By the same logic, the muslims (large portions of which are immigrants) in Germany who vote in German elections are probably the less conservative ones, as the more conservative ones often still retain a foreign citizenship instead of becoming German.
The fact that european rightwing parties hate muslims probably doesn’t help either.
GoodvsPerfect on
This is the kind of truistic data that reinforces preconcieved data. Rw looks at these voting patterns and says, “aha, i knew radical islam was a leftist ideology.” Lw look at this and say, “aha, i knew the rw was so viruently racist that even their ideological brothers cant vote rw!”
So wheres the analysis that provides depth to truistic patterns?
SnooCauliflowers3306 on
yeah, I mean a lot of them are on welfare so it makes sense.
DiracHomie on
“we will vote for left wing until we become the majority”
AceOfSpades532 on
Is it that the voters are left wing, or that the right wing is anti-Muslim so they’re against them?
No_Economics_4678 on
Very curious about the muslims voting Zemmour in France.
dreddstorm82 on
This is what the left want to farm votes if no one has realized this yet , you haven’t been paying attention.
Due_Patient_2650 on
I’m curious if this pattern is significantly different for ex-Muslims
tomafro on
How did you decide which political parties to show? In the UK I’d say Green, Your Party, and arguably Plaid Cymru and the SNP are all to the left of Labour. Why aren’t they included? They all have MPs.
It implies Labour are the left-most party in the UK which isn’t even nearly the case.
PandasOnGiraffes on
The unabashed islamophobia in this thread is alarming. We’re seeing so much conjecture and open generalizations without a shred of critical thinking beyond what people hear on the street and media narratives. Zohran Mamdani and Saddiq Khan are both Muslim and left-leaning, young Arabs tend to be very left-leaning and not just because of Palestine, and the OP’s comment about only 18% of UK Muslims believing that homosexuality should be legal is both incorrect based on the article they referenced, and outdated given that the article is 10 years old. Given that gay marriage was only legalized 1-2 years before this article came out, this is hardly a judgement of people today.
AndyBlayaOverload on
They will vote left wing as long as it is in their favor. Most Muslims in Europe are very conservative in terms of beliefs and values and once they achieve enough/meaningful positions in govt, they will definitely want sharia laws implemented. Dont be fooled by this thinking theyre on your side
Hairy_Scale4412 on
Yeah, only because the left is letting them in. Wait until they become the majority(not if, but when), they will turn conservative VERY fast.
iamthesunbane on
Is that because the right wing keep running on repatriating them to war zones?
Tongatapu on
They don’t really have a choice. The right wing parties want to deport them out of the country (sometimes even when they were born there).
gwartabig on
Dutch person here, DENK is absolutely not left when it comes to cultural things, solely economic. They’re referred to as the ‘long arm of Ankara’ and are practically a Turkish psyop.
Silverbuu on
Self-interest, primarily. A sizable part of the right-wing wave focuses on reducing, or reversing immigration.
WitELeoparD on
Lots of Great Replacement Theory rhetoric in this thread… Yikes.
Dazzling_Job9035 on
There is a difference between being socially left wing and economically left wing.
How I understand it, the Muslim community is vehemently socially right wing, but economically left wing.
That nuance matters.
Biozo on
5% of Muslims vote for PVV in Netherlands, AfD in Germany or Le Pen in France 🫣 Is that just an issue with polling? Or naivety?
Popular_Petje on
Bit shocked that there are moslims who voted for LePenn
poiuytree321 on
Loool.
Okay, first of all: your political spectrum is absolute bullshit. You consider Labour in the UK as left wing, but Marine Le Pen in France center right?! And Macron center left?!?!?!!? This is completely absurd and has nothing to do with actual politics.
Secondly, do you find it surprising that people vote for parties who do not demonize them?
Thirdly: this thread is absofuckinglutely disgusting! The racism and hate in some of the comments is shameful.
hellopandant on
What sub is this? This is just repeated column charts lol
kingofwale on
People tend to follow whichever said pay them well… and left wings tend to pay them (welfare or any subsidies) way better than right wings.
This isn’t uncommon, any country where Muslims are in minority they overwhelmingly support the left wing. For the most part left wing parties are always the one to handout freebies and are soft of religious extremism. This doesn’t imply that the Muslim population accepts liberal ideas, they are very conservative in all regards.
MyrKnof on
It’s just a suspicion, but the left not only gives more welfare, but are also more lenient on migration.
I think this explains it as to why they vote left, not because they support anything the left considers important lol
ISmellHats on
It’s funny how many people are trying to analyze this as if it’s that surprising. Left-wing parties are tolerant of the massive cultural differences and support immigration. Right-wing parties for not.
Naturally they’re going to vote for the party that lets them stay.
PossibleAd9545 on
not suprising since the right wing parties want to eradicate them?
Lumpy-Yam-4584 on
And there’s the double-citizenship voters of turks in Germany:
Wow so much racism and stupidity in the reactions! Can nobody envision that many Muslims might actually be leaning left? I mean, some of the main pillars of the right are xenophobia and Muslim hatred and closed borders, why would immigrants or their kids vote for parties that hate them?
Also, here in the Netherlands, many Muslims work blue collar jobs and live in rented houses, which tends to make people left-leaning because the right doesn’t protect their interests. Really fairly simple.
Soomroz on
People are forgetting that most of the right wing parties in Europe are openly against Muslims. So I am not sure why are you surprised to see this data.
Asrahn on
This just in: demographic does not vote for the “annihilate us” parties.
mk81 on
They’re using their bloc voting power to pit the leftist parties against each other, knowing they’ll compete on who can pander more. Once they have the numbers (next decade or two) they’ll jump ship to an explicitly Islamic party.Â
toni_btrain on
You don’t fucking say they support the parties that give them hand outs and benefits
LurkerFailsLurking on
It’s always a pleasant surprise when people don’t vote for parties that are openly hostile to them.
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It’s a very interesting result because European Muslims are very conservative but vote for the left wing I would assume primarily due to self interest.
For instance [only 18% of UK Muslims](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law) believe that homosexuality should be legal.
But again social issues are secondary at the moment which is why you see such a strong leftist and Muslim alliance in the UK and really throughout Europe.
I would argue this will come to a head eventually.
Could you post some sources in the comments, with links?
Also not that surprising considering most right wing parties openly hate Muslims
They become right wing when they become majority provided the right wing government is follow Muslim ideologies. They cannot truly ever be left wing given how anti LGBTQ they are
So they vote for more redistribution and also for open borders. Surprise pickachu?
The relationship between European muslims and left-wing parties is mostly just that of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. Doesn’t mean that the two groups necessarily have a lot in common.
Surely it’s a coincidence that these parties support bringing more of them to EuropeÂ
This is r/dataisbeautiful, ffs, it’s not r/dataislowres.
The political space in most European democracies is two dimensional at least. “Left” means different things
Right wing parties are actively hostile towards them, it’s an awkward alliance that will break as soon as there’s a better option for muslims. They are still deeply conservative.
I feel like this will only further polarize the issue of immigration in EuropeÂ
for the Netherlands, DENK is not left wing.
I think this is explained in a similar way as the fact that for example Turkish people in Germany tend to vote more conservatively in Turkish elections.
The people who are less conservative become Germans, and thus no longer vote in Turkish elections.
By the same logic, the muslims (large portions of which are immigrants) in Germany who vote in German elections are probably the less conservative ones, as the more conservative ones often still retain a foreign citizenship instead of becoming German.
The fact that european rightwing parties hate muslims probably doesn’t help either.
This is the kind of truistic data that reinforces preconcieved data. Rw looks at these voting patterns and says, “aha, i knew radical islam was a leftist ideology.” Lw look at this and say, “aha, i knew the rw was so viruently racist that even their ideological brothers cant vote rw!”
So wheres the analysis that provides depth to truistic patterns?
yeah, I mean a lot of them are on welfare so it makes sense.
“we will vote for left wing until we become the majority”
Is it that the voters are left wing, or that the right wing is anti-Muslim so they’re against them?
Very curious about the muslims voting Zemmour in France.
This is what the left want to farm votes if no one has realized this yet , you haven’t been paying attention.
I’m curious if this pattern is significantly different for ex-Muslims
How did you decide which political parties to show? In the UK I’d say Green, Your Party, and arguably Plaid Cymru and the SNP are all to the left of Labour. Why aren’t they included? They all have MPs.
It implies Labour are the left-most party in the UK which isn’t even nearly the case.
The unabashed islamophobia in this thread is alarming. We’re seeing so much conjecture and open generalizations without a shred of critical thinking beyond what people hear on the street and media narratives. Zohran Mamdani and Saddiq Khan are both Muslim and left-leaning, young Arabs tend to be very left-leaning and not just because of Palestine, and the OP’s comment about only 18% of UK Muslims believing that homosexuality should be legal is both incorrect based on the article they referenced, and outdated given that the article is 10 years old. Given that gay marriage was only legalized 1-2 years before this article came out, this is hardly a judgement of people today.
They will vote left wing as long as it is in their favor. Most Muslims in Europe are very conservative in terms of beliefs and values and once they achieve enough/meaningful positions in govt, they will definitely want sharia laws implemented. Dont be fooled by this thinking theyre on your side
Yeah, only because the left is letting them in. Wait until they become the majority(not if, but when), they will turn conservative VERY fast.
Is that because the right wing keep running on repatriating them to war zones?
They don’t really have a choice. The right wing parties want to deport them out of the country (sometimes even when they were born there).
Dutch person here, DENK is absolutely not left when it comes to cultural things, solely economic. They’re referred to as the ‘long arm of Ankara’ and are practically a Turkish psyop.
Self-interest, primarily. A sizable part of the right-wing wave focuses on reducing, or reversing immigration.
Lots of Great Replacement Theory rhetoric in this thread… Yikes.
There is a difference between being socially left wing and economically left wing.
How I understand it, the Muslim community is vehemently socially right wing, but economically left wing.
That nuance matters.
5% of Muslims vote for PVV in Netherlands, AfD in Germany or Le Pen in France 🫣 Is that just an issue with polling? Or naivety?
Bit shocked that there are moslims who voted for LePenn
Loool.
Okay, first of all: your political spectrum is absolute bullshit. You consider Labour in the UK as left wing, but Marine Le Pen in France center right?! And Macron center left?!?!?!!? This is completely absurd and has nothing to do with actual politics.
Secondly, do you find it surprising that people vote for parties who do not demonize them?
Thirdly: this thread is absofuckinglutely disgusting! The racism and hate in some of the comments is shameful.
What sub is this? This is just repeated column charts lol
People tend to follow whichever said pay them well… and left wings tend to pay them (welfare or any subsidies) way better than right wings.
Well duh
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRdaq3QmVrU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRdaq3QmVrU)
This isn’t uncommon, any country where Muslims are in minority they overwhelmingly support the left wing. For the most part left wing parties are always the one to handout freebies and are soft of religious extremism. This doesn’t imply that the Muslim population accepts liberal ideas, they are very conservative in all regards.
It’s just a suspicion, but the left not only gives more welfare, but are also more lenient on migration.
[https://www.instagram.com/reels/DLXFGSfOvVq/](https://www.instagram.com/reels/DLXFGSfOvVq/)
I think this explains it as to why they vote left, not because they support anything the left considers important lol
It’s funny how many people are trying to analyze this as if it’s that surprising. Left-wing parties are tolerant of the massive cultural differences and support immigration. Right-wing parties for not.
Naturally they’re going to vote for the party that lets them stay.
not suprising since the right wing parties want to eradicate them?
And there’s the double-citizenship voters of turks in Germany:
In Turkey: 52% for Erdogan. In Germany: 67%
[https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%A4sidentschaftswahl_in_der_T%C3%BCrkei_2023](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%A4sidentschaftswahl_in_der_T%C3%BCrkei_2023)
[https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1387505/umfrage/wahlergebnis-der-deutschtuerken-bei-der-stichwahl-zur-tuerkischen-praesidentschaft-2023/](https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1387505/umfrage/wahlergebnis-der-deutschtuerken-bei-der-stichwahl-zur-tuerkischen-praesidentschaft-2023/)
Wow so much racism and stupidity in the reactions! Can nobody envision that many Muslims might actually be leaning left? I mean, some of the main pillars of the right are xenophobia and Muslim hatred and closed borders, why would immigrants or their kids vote for parties that hate them?
Also, here in the Netherlands, many Muslims work blue collar jobs and live in rented houses, which tends to make people left-leaning because the right doesn’t protect their interests. Really fairly simple.
People are forgetting that most of the right wing parties in Europe are openly against Muslims. So I am not sure why are you surprised to see this data.
This just in: demographic does not vote for the “annihilate us” parties.
They’re using their bloc voting power to pit the leftist parties against each other, knowing they’ll compete on who can pander more. Once they have the numbers (next decade or two) they’ll jump ship to an explicitly Islamic party.Â
You don’t fucking say they support the parties that give them hand outs and benefits
It’s always a pleasant surprise when people don’t vote for parties that are openly hostile to them.