[OC] Muslim voters in Europe are very left wing

Posted by Sometypeofway18

48 Comments

  1. Sometypeofway18 on

    It’s a very interesting result because European Muslims are very conservative but vote for the left wing I would assume primarily due to self interest.

    For instance [only 18% of UK Muslims](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law) believe that homosexuality should be legal.

    But again social issues are secondary at the moment which is why you see such a strong leftist and Muslim alliance in the UK and really throughout Europe.

    I would argue this will come to a head eventually.

  2. They become right wing when they become majority provided the right wing government is follow Muslim ideologies. They cannot truly ever be left wing given how anti LGBTQ they are

  3. Even_Power6598 on

    The relationship between European muslims and left-wing parties is mostly just that of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. Doesn’t mean that the two groups necessarily have a lot in common.

  4. The political space in most European democracies is two dimensional at least. “Left” means different things

  5. arepotatoesreal on

    Right wing parties are actively hostile towards them, it’s an awkward alliance that will break as soon as there’s a better option for muslims. They are still deeply conservative.

  6. I think this is explained in a similar way as the fact that for example Turkish people in Germany tend to vote more conservatively in Turkish elections.

    The people who are less conservative become Germans, and thus no longer vote in Turkish elections.

    By the same logic, the muslims (large portions of which are immigrants) in Germany who vote in German elections are probably the less conservative ones, as the more conservative ones often still retain a foreign citizenship instead of becoming German.

    The fact that european rightwing parties hate muslims probably doesn’t help either.

  7. This is the kind of truistic data that reinforces preconcieved data. Rw looks at these voting patterns and says, “aha, i knew radical islam was a leftist ideology.” Lw look at this and say, “aha, i knew the rw was so viruently racist that even their ideological brothers cant vote rw!”

    So wheres the analysis that provides depth to truistic patterns?

  8. AceOfSpades532 on

    Is it that the voters are left wing, or that the right wing is anti-Muslim so they’re against them?

  9. This is what the left want to farm votes if no one has realized this yet , you haven’t been paying attention.

  10. How did you decide which political parties to show? In the UK I’d say Green, Your Party, and arguably Plaid Cymru and the SNP are all to the left of Labour. Why aren’t they included? They all have MPs.

    It implies Labour are the left-most party in the UK which isn’t even nearly the case.

  11. PandasOnGiraffes on

    The unabashed islamophobia in this thread is alarming. We’re seeing so much conjecture and open generalizations without a shred of critical thinking beyond what people hear on the street and media narratives. Zohran Mamdani and Saddiq Khan are both Muslim and left-leaning, young Arabs tend to be very left-leaning and not just because of Palestine, and the OP’s comment about only 18% of UK Muslims believing that homosexuality should be legal is both incorrect based on the article they referenced, and outdated given that the article is 10 years old. Given that gay marriage was only legalized 1-2 years before this article came out, this is hardly a judgement of people today.

  12. AndyBlayaOverload on

    They will vote left wing as long as it is in their favor. Most Muslims in Europe are very conservative in terms of beliefs and values and once they achieve enough/meaningful positions in govt, they will definitely want sharia laws implemented. Dont be fooled by this thinking theyre on your side

  13. Hairy_Scale4412 on

    Yeah, only because the left is letting them in. Wait until they become the majority(not if, but when), they will turn conservative VERY fast.

  14. They don’t really have a choice. The right wing parties want to deport them out of the country (sometimes even when they were born there).

  15. Dutch person here, DENK is absolutely not left when it comes to cultural things, solely economic. They’re referred to as the ‘long arm of Ankara’ and are practically a Turkish psyop.

  16. Self-interest, primarily. A sizable part of the right-wing wave focuses on reducing, or reversing immigration.

  17. Dazzling_Job9035 on

    There is a difference between being socially left wing and economically left wing.

    How I understand it, the Muslim community is vehemently socially right wing, but economically left wing.

    That nuance matters.

  18. 5% of Muslims vote for PVV in Netherlands, AfD in Germany or Le Pen in France 🫣 Is that just an issue with polling? Or naivety?

  19. Loool.

    Okay, first of all: your political spectrum is absolute bullshit. You consider Labour in the UK as left wing, but Marine Le Pen in France center right?! And Macron center left?!?!?!!? This is completely absurd and has nothing to do with actual politics.

    Secondly, do you find it surprising that people vote for parties who do not demonize them?

    Thirdly: this thread is absofuckinglutely disgusting! The racism and hate in some of the comments is shameful.

  20. People tend to follow whichever said pay them well… and left wings tend to pay them (welfare or any subsidies) way better than right wings.

  21. anonymousNetizen5 on

    This isn’t uncommon, any country where Muslims are in minority they overwhelmingly support the left wing. For the most part left wing parties are always the one to handout freebies and are soft of religious extremism. This doesn’t imply that the Muslim population accepts liberal ideas, they are very conservative in all regards.

  22. It’s just a suspicion, but the left not only gives more welfare, but are also more lenient on migration.

  23. It’s funny how many people are trying to analyze this as if it’s that surprising. Left-wing parties are tolerant of the massive cultural differences and support immigration. Right-wing parties for not.

    Naturally they’re going to vote for the party that lets them stay.

  24. And there’s the double-citizenship voters of turks in Germany:

    In Turkey: 52% for Erdogan. In Germany: 67%

    [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%A4sidentschaftswahl_in_der_T%C3%BCrkei_2023](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%A4sidentschaftswahl_in_der_T%C3%BCrkei_2023)

    [https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1387505/umfrage/wahlergebnis-der-deutschtuerken-bei-der-stichwahl-zur-tuerkischen-praesidentschaft-2023/](https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1387505/umfrage/wahlergebnis-der-deutschtuerken-bei-der-stichwahl-zur-tuerkischen-praesidentschaft-2023/)

  25. Wow so much racism and stupidity in the reactions! Can nobody envision that many Muslims might actually be leaning left? I mean, some of the main pillars of the right are xenophobia and Muslim hatred and closed borders, why would immigrants or their kids vote for parties that hate them?

    Also, here in the Netherlands, many Muslims work blue collar jobs and live in rented houses, which tends to make people left-leaning because the right doesn’t protect their interests. Really fairly simple.

  26. People are forgetting that most of the right wing parties in Europe are openly against Muslims. So I am not sure why are you surprised to see this data.

  27. They’re using their bloc voting power to pit the leftist parties against each other, knowing they’ll compete on who can pander more. Once they have the numbers (next decade or two) they’ll jump ship to an explicitly Islamic party. 

  28. LurkerFailsLurking on

    It’s always a pleasant surprise when people don’t vote for parties that are openly hostile to them.