So will all the people screaming ‘we need to vote Labour to keep Reform out’ now be screaming ‘we need to vote Green to keep Reform out’?
limeflavoured on
One of the issues I think Labour are going to have is that they arent taking the Greens as seriously as they should. And dismissing them as a “Muslim party” or whatever isn’t going to work as well as they think it will.
JupiterRisingKapow on
I am not surprised by this. Most people in the UK are centrist. Most will oppose any support for the US that drags the UK into a war with Iran. Most people are scared for their future, the cost of living, and if they have a job in six months. Most care what is happening to the planet with worse weather every year and putting up solar to reduce their costs.
And guess what… this is what the Greens are talking about. Conservatives and Reform are too busy blaming immigrants for everything and waving the flag as though that fixes anything. And Labour is constantly bashed by the right wing media.
BiteDirect on
Productivity up, debt down, wages up, waiting lists down, defence industry booming, infrastructure projects flying through all to the backdrop of global tensions and warfare…labour are quietly getting on with the business of running the country but they’ll be undone by a popularity contest.
MrMrsPotts on
The Green party is really far left. It’s basically the Corbyn vote now.
dapperdanmen on
Not surprising – they have a clear message directed at the working and middle class while Labour seen to make one unforced error after the other.
If the choice is between the Greens and Reform at the next GE then I honestly despair. I don’t say that because I think the other traditional parties are great, but they’re both populist parties just on different sides.
You’ve got one party who thinks everything wrong with the UK is down to immigration, whilst the other would welcome every immigrant with open arms (don’t believe me, check their website).One party would bring in unhinged tax cuts that would crash the economy, whilst the other thinks the country can just refuse to pay any debt and you can solve everything by flicking the ‘tax the rich’ button. Both parties are chock full of NIMBYs for different reasons and I don’t trust either of them to push forward with energy independence because of this.
I naturally lean more towards he Greens but I just can’t vote for them with some of their more insane policies.
JackStrawWitchita on
People are tired of holding their noses to vote for Labour as the ‘least worst option’ and are now feeling good about voting Green who offer new ideas.
The era of ‘business as usual’ politics and political parties is over.
coffeeicefox on
– Anti nuclear energy
– Will shutdown trident
– Will reduce defence spending
– Run by a bloke who didn’t know the difference between debt and deficit.Â
We are a different type of fucked if this guy gets in.
Valkaveri on
Unfortunately for Reform, Twitter bots can’t vote, and unfortunately for Labour all these commenters are gonna die on the Starmer hill before the next GE
Cynical_Classicist on
Labour: But we kept moving to the right. Why is this happening?
baidev on
I really have issue with their £15 minimum wage, they need to scrap it. I’ve 100% lost my job if they win, the job market for young people will be crushed entirelyÂ
CarlxtosWay on
If the next election is a choice between fascism with Reform and communism with the Greens it’s time to admit Russia, China and Iran have won.Â
Thefdt on
Politics is becoming more polarised, the greens are now being seen as the counter to reform.
Meanwhile the sensible centrists in the middle are haemorrhaging voters. Whole demographics are shifting so it’s very easy to capitalise on an anti mass immigration or pro immigration and mass hand outs. Meanwhile anyone who can credibly run the economy with our country’s many challenges seem not to be being heard
Major_Tea_6566 on
Honestly, this tracks. Feels like Labour is still stuck in the old political game while the Greens are actually talking about the stuff that keeps me up at night, like bills and the weird weather. They’re gonna have to stop with the lazy labels and start listening. Wild times.
CaptainHindsight92 on
I mean, is it really that much of a surprise? The biggest voting issue in the last election was the cost of living. We have seen marginal improvement at best, and yet working people are getting their tax thresholds frozen and being told that they will feel £150 off their energy bills. Homes are still unaffordable and labour are behind on their house building targets, which were only marginally more than promised by the conservatives. The reality is that labour plans, even if successful, will barely take the edge off. The Greens’ major talking points are the cost of living and taxing the billionaires and global corporations that don’t pay enough tax. Agree or not, it’s really a shock that people want a government with bigger goals than marginal improvement/lessened worsening? Then the other biggest voter issue is immigration, again a divisive issue, but the majority of people do want less immigration or want to see no increases. Our infrastructure is already struggling with the current population, sewer systems made hundreds of years ago at capacity, too few homes for too many people, our councils can’t keep up with the amount of litter, NHS waiting queues are still high, not enough homes (as mentioned). Is it surprising that reform who doesn’t shut up about immigration is also polling well?
DennisAFiveStarMan on
They’d be even more popular if their leaders wasn’t a known grifter.
TomatoLess229 on
I just don’t see them being the 2nd biggest party but maybe im missing something.
Early-Issue-4269 on
Sorry but I can’t vote for a party that refuses nuclear power
jacobnipples on
I worry greatly for our future. I understand the appeal of greens and some of the things they promise, I have been economically left wing my entire life and always wanted an actual good effort at redistributing some wealth to the working and middle classes – but the Greens are a serious national security threat.
Abandoning our Nuclear capabilities whilst importing even more of a culture that wants to see our life destroyed when the world looks as it does right now is simply insane, we will be destroyed both within and without. I hate the fact that WMDs are necessary, but the fact of the matter is that they are necessary and they likely always will be. This is reality. We also are fast approaching a turning point in our culture – Islam holds greater and greater influence over our politics every year and we are fast approaching the point of no return where their faith plays a significant role in our politics, and lots of outdated ideas our very modern culture fought hard to move away from will be entering the national conversation once more. Once they have that foothold, it is already too late. Muslims have shown time and time again they will vote overwhelmingly with their faith first. This is not racist to observe and acknowledge, this is clear to anyone paying attention.
Sadly, it looks like our only other option come next election may be reform who will almost certainly dismatle the NHS and likely won’t even start to fix our immigration problem as they are already starting to walk a lot of that back – if they fix the problem they will no longer have a platform – not to mention mass immigration from an economic standpoint benefits the rich disproportionately which is why the Tories made it happen in the first place. For all people are fed up with the two main parties – including myself – is this really better?
I can only hope both of these parties start to lose steam over the next few years as people start to see them for what they are.
RedderPeregrine on
In a time where war is a possibility I want a strong, sensible head at the helm. As much as it pains me to say, because I despair at a lot of the decisions they have maid, when I consider the leaders of the parties side by side there is no one that remotely comes close to the diplomatic skill of Keir Starmer.
He has made some good decisions with Ukraine, US taxes, and the start of this war. He has stood up to the US on several occasions when the consequences could have been high and managed to keep trump from going apoplectic.
The party makes garbage decisions but he is politically astute and if his only principle is, ‘it has to be legal’ then even if he does give in to pressures from the US, at least it’s not immediately, at least there’s some moral compass.
I can’t imagine Zack Polanski or Kemi Badenoch or Ed Davey or bloody Nigel Farage in that position. They are all so wet and would immediately fall to dust in the face of US and Israeli pressures.
I despair at all of our choices, but if I had to choose someone to lead us through a very rocky next few years I can’t imagine anyone else having a hope in hell.
Lawn-Dad on
All the other parties really need to hammer in to people’s heads how insane the Green party policies are.
If greens came close to getting in to power I would tactically vote to make it not so.
lasthopel on
I honestly will never vote Labour again, i didn’t in the last election because I knew exactly how they would turn out, i voted green and I feel more vindicated every day, I didnt expect much from labour I hoped for little more then boring economic policy with some had waves to the left to ensure everyone got along, instead it feels like have taken every path possible to be more hated, the OSA alone and ensured my hate for them for years to come
CharmingTurnover8937 on
If the Greens were simply about the environment, I could understand. Their policies, i.e., Immigration, drugs and disarming our country, are simply too extreme to even entertain.
If you can stomach that and still vote for them, more power to you. However, I fully expect them to fail in winning a GE.
joetotheg on
It’s almost like Labour are a right wing party pretending to be left wing and people are finally taking notice
No_Turn2863 on
Party that stokes the culture war in the same way Reform does, albeit from the left wing is more popular than centrist, in-power government. Who’da thought!!!
They’re just helping accelerate the football-team-ification of British politics
Aeceus on
This could be our one chance to get proportional representation in. Please please please.
Aliktren on
we tried new labour and got blair and brown (most people forgetting how awful brown was as PM) – then we got the tories, brexit, reform, lettuces as PMs, parties during a pandemic, – honestly you’d have to argue whats the worst that can happen – if you arent a racist and are fed up with both the main parties greens are a solid choice and they are down with the kids, unsuprisingly because kids are taught about climate change which is an actual problem we have in the world thats lost in the noise of trump and wars and its their future at stake.
Foreign-Policy-02- on
End of the UK. Will leave NATO, give up nuclear weapons. Russia and China are cheering at this. I can imagine how much Putin is planning to help this party reach Downing Street. Amazing
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So will all the people screaming ‘we need to vote Labour to keep Reform out’ now be screaming ‘we need to vote Green to keep Reform out’?
One of the issues I think Labour are going to have is that they arent taking the Greens as seriously as they should. And dismissing them as a “Muslim party” or whatever isn’t going to work as well as they think it will.
I am not surprised by this. Most people in the UK are centrist. Most will oppose any support for the US that drags the UK into a war with Iran. Most people are scared for their future, the cost of living, and if they have a job in six months. Most care what is happening to the planet with worse weather every year and putting up solar to reduce their costs.
And guess what… this is what the Greens are talking about. Conservatives and Reform are too busy blaming immigrants for everything and waving the flag as though that fixes anything. And Labour is constantly bashed by the right wing media.
Productivity up, debt down, wages up, waiting lists down, defence industry booming, infrastructure projects flying through all to the backdrop of global tensions and warfare…labour are quietly getting on with the business of running the country but they’ll be undone by a popularity contest.
The Green party is really far left. It’s basically the Corbyn vote now.
Not surprising – they have a clear message directed at the working and middle class while Labour seen to make one unforced error after the other.
YouGov VI; fieldwork dates March 1 to 2:
RFM 23% (-1)
GRN 21% (+4)
CON 16% (-2)
LAB 16% (-2)
LDEM 14% (=)
SNP 2%
PLC 1%
Others 5%
If the choice is between the Greens and Reform at the next GE then I honestly despair. I don’t say that because I think the other traditional parties are great, but they’re both populist parties just on different sides.
You’ve got one party who thinks everything wrong with the UK is down to immigration, whilst the other would welcome every immigrant with open arms (don’t believe me, check their website).One party would bring in unhinged tax cuts that would crash the economy, whilst the other thinks the country can just refuse to pay any debt and you can solve everything by flicking the ‘tax the rich’ button. Both parties are chock full of NIMBYs for different reasons and I don’t trust either of them to push forward with energy independence because of this.
I naturally lean more towards he Greens but I just can’t vote for them with some of their more insane policies.
People are tired of holding their noses to vote for Labour as the ‘least worst option’ and are now feeling good about voting Green who offer new ideas.
The era of ‘business as usual’ politics and political parties is over.
– Anti nuclear energy
– Will shutdown trident
– Will reduce defence spending
– Run by a bloke who didn’t know the difference between debt and deficit.Â
We are a different type of fucked if this guy gets in.
Unfortunately for Reform, Twitter bots can’t vote, and unfortunately for Labour all these commenters are gonna die on the Starmer hill before the next GE
Labour: But we kept moving to the right. Why is this happening?
I really have issue with their £15 minimum wage, they need to scrap it. I’ve 100% lost my job if they win, the job market for young people will be crushed entirelyÂ
If the next election is a choice between fascism with Reform and communism with the Greens it’s time to admit Russia, China and Iran have won.Â
Politics is becoming more polarised, the greens are now being seen as the counter to reform.
Meanwhile the sensible centrists in the middle are haemorrhaging voters. Whole demographics are shifting so it’s very easy to capitalise on an anti mass immigration or pro immigration and mass hand outs. Meanwhile anyone who can credibly run the economy with our country’s many challenges seem not to be being heard
Honestly, this tracks. Feels like Labour is still stuck in the old political game while the Greens are actually talking about the stuff that keeps me up at night, like bills and the weird weather. They’re gonna have to stop with the lazy labels and start listening. Wild times.
I mean, is it really that much of a surprise? The biggest voting issue in the last election was the cost of living. We have seen marginal improvement at best, and yet working people are getting their tax thresholds frozen and being told that they will feel £150 off their energy bills. Homes are still unaffordable and labour are behind on their house building targets, which were only marginally more than promised by the conservatives. The reality is that labour plans, even if successful, will barely take the edge off. The Greens’ major talking points are the cost of living and taxing the billionaires and global corporations that don’t pay enough tax. Agree or not, it’s really a shock that people want a government with bigger goals than marginal improvement/lessened worsening? Then the other biggest voter issue is immigration, again a divisive issue, but the majority of people do want less immigration or want to see no increases. Our infrastructure is already struggling with the current population, sewer systems made hundreds of years ago at capacity, too few homes for too many people, our councils can’t keep up with the amount of litter, NHS waiting queues are still high, not enough homes (as mentioned). Is it surprising that reform who doesn’t shut up about immigration is also polling well?
They’d be even more popular if their leaders wasn’t a known grifter.
I just don’t see them being the 2nd biggest party but maybe im missing something.
Sorry but I can’t vote for a party that refuses nuclear power
I worry greatly for our future. I understand the appeal of greens and some of the things they promise, I have been economically left wing my entire life and always wanted an actual good effort at redistributing some wealth to the working and middle classes – but the Greens are a serious national security threat.
Abandoning our Nuclear capabilities whilst importing even more of a culture that wants to see our life destroyed when the world looks as it does right now is simply insane, we will be destroyed both within and without. I hate the fact that WMDs are necessary, but the fact of the matter is that they are necessary and they likely always will be. This is reality. We also are fast approaching a turning point in our culture – Islam holds greater and greater influence over our politics every year and we are fast approaching the point of no return where their faith plays a significant role in our politics, and lots of outdated ideas our very modern culture fought hard to move away from will be entering the national conversation once more. Once they have that foothold, it is already too late. Muslims have shown time and time again they will vote overwhelmingly with their faith first. This is not racist to observe and acknowledge, this is clear to anyone paying attention.
Sadly, it looks like our only other option come next election may be reform who will almost certainly dismatle the NHS and likely won’t even start to fix our immigration problem as they are already starting to walk a lot of that back – if they fix the problem they will no longer have a platform – not to mention mass immigration from an economic standpoint benefits the rich disproportionately which is why the Tories made it happen in the first place. For all people are fed up with the two main parties – including myself – is this really better?
I can only hope both of these parties start to lose steam over the next few years as people start to see them for what they are.
In a time where war is a possibility I want a strong, sensible head at the helm. As much as it pains me to say, because I despair at a lot of the decisions they have maid, when I consider the leaders of the parties side by side there is no one that remotely comes close to the diplomatic skill of Keir Starmer.
He has made some good decisions with Ukraine, US taxes, and the start of this war. He has stood up to the US on several occasions when the consequences could have been high and managed to keep trump from going apoplectic.
The party makes garbage decisions but he is politically astute and if his only principle is, ‘it has to be legal’ then even if he does give in to pressures from the US, at least it’s not immediately, at least there’s some moral compass.
I can’t imagine Zack Polanski or Kemi Badenoch or Ed Davey or bloody Nigel Farage in that position. They are all so wet and would immediately fall to dust in the face of US and Israeli pressures.
I despair at all of our choices, but if I had to choose someone to lead us through a very rocky next few years I can’t imagine anyone else having a hope in hell.
All the other parties really need to hammer in to people’s heads how insane the Green party policies are.
If greens came close to getting in to power I would tactically vote to make it not so.
I honestly will never vote Labour again, i didn’t in the last election because I knew exactly how they would turn out, i voted green and I feel more vindicated every day, I didnt expect much from labour I hoped for little more then boring economic policy with some had waves to the left to ensure everyone got along, instead it feels like have taken every path possible to be more hated, the OSA alone and ensured my hate for them for years to come
If the Greens were simply about the environment, I could understand. Their policies, i.e., Immigration, drugs and disarming our country, are simply too extreme to even entertain.
If you can stomach that and still vote for them, more power to you. However, I fully expect them to fail in winning a GE.
It’s almost like Labour are a right wing party pretending to be left wing and people are finally taking notice
Party that stokes the culture war in the same way Reform does, albeit from the left wing is more popular than centrist, in-power government. Who’da thought!!!
They’re just helping accelerate the football-team-ification of British politics
This could be our one chance to get proportional representation in. Please please please.
we tried new labour and got blair and brown (most people forgetting how awful brown was as PM) – then we got the tories, brexit, reform, lettuces as PMs, parties during a pandemic, – honestly you’d have to argue whats the worst that can happen – if you arent a racist and are fed up with both the main parties greens are a solid choice and they are down with the kids, unsuprisingly because kids are taught about climate change which is an actual problem we have in the world thats lost in the noise of trump and wars and its their future at stake.
End of the UK. Will leave NATO, give up nuclear weapons. Russia and China are cheering at this. I can imagine how much Putin is planning to help this party reach Downing Street. Amazing