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    Man wins seatbelt fine court battle as AI traffic cameras face scrutiny
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    Man wins seatbelt fine court battle as AI traffic cameras face scrutiny

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    1. Electrical_Age_7483 on

      If he had come for advice on the Reddit legal subs he would have been told to don’t bother and pay it

      This has nothing to do with AI, the AI did pick it up as it should it’s how TMR implemented it without regard to whether he knew the passenger had done it 

      A photo can never tell what the driver knew.  If this was a police stop they could have been questioned and it could be established correctly.  A photo for passenger offences is wrong 

    3. strangeMeursault2 on

      I would hate to defend AI in any sense, but I don’t think AI has anything much to do with the main case in this story. The issue is the law that fines a driver for their passenger wearing the seatbelt incorrectly. If a person had looked at the photo they probably would have sent the fine as well.

    4. drnicko18 on

      The argument here was that it was unsafe for the driver to constantly monitor the passenger’s seat belt. This has implications on all future infringements issued by camera for passenger offences whether reviewed by an AI or a human.

      I’ve never understood why it’s the driver’s responsibility to ensure other adults wear a seat belt properly. What if it’s your boss you’re driving? Children yes fair enough.

    5. drfrogsplat on

      > He said the prospect of going through the whole rigmarole of fighting it in court again made him not want to drive with a passenger at all.

      > Magistrate Magee said she could not give legal advice but noted that the prosecution would “have some difficulty” defending any case where the passenger’s seatbelt remained fastened.

      An interesting statement from the magistrate. Might break a lot of prosecution cases.

    6. Meng_Fei on

      Great Australian nanny state in action once again. Good on this guy for challenging the stupid fine.

      And if they persist, say goodbye to voluntary services like patient transport and driving disabled kids on outings. Who’s going to risk losing their licence and paying thousands more in insurance for volunteer work. The government can do it and foot the bill.

    8. salfiert on

      I wonder if the intent of the law is to ensure seatbelts are installed in a way that they can be safely worn, from when they were transitioning from no seatbelts to seatbelts

      May be a case of law in need of an update.

    9. SuitableFan6634 on

      I’m not going to defend the use of AI, but it’s a red herring used to create a click bait headline here.

      The law was clearly broken (the use of AI had nothing to do with it) but the judge let the driver off saying to monitor the passenger to the level required to detect it would’ve been unsafe.

    10. The_Curious on

      I’ve been stung by this fine, in almost the exact circumstances. It’s utterly ridiculous that my moronic adult passenger was not liable

    11. anakaine on

      Im fairly sure we saw this young man’s mother post in the comments a little while ago saying that her son successfully defended a seat belt fine on these grounds.

    12. ghoonrhed on

      I mean in all legal sense the camera, person sending out the fine was all in the right?

      That person indeed was wearing the seatbelt incorrectly.

      If anything, they just set precedent on whether it’s a camera or cop catching passengers not wearing seatbelts properly

    13. agitator12 on

      AI solution looking for a problem. Minns is happy to support genocide, but not common sense.

    14. it_fell_off_a_truck on

      How about the woman in the article wearing a seatbelt but got a fine? Hope her appeal is successful.

    15. Late-Button-6559 on

      The seatbelts of other people is shit, even kids.

      When I’m driving, I make sure we’re safe when I take off. After that my job is to be safe and get us there. I can’t monitor seatbelt positions, or often even see all of a seatbelt, of my passengers – even my small child.

      And if i did see an issue near a location with a mobile phone camera – which are always freeways, you cant stop anyway.

    16. p5ych0babble on

      Why would you even wear a seatbelt like that. You already have it on, just wear it properly. That looks more uncomfortable than just wearing it correctly.

    17. Party-Art8730 on

      The article is arguing against AI usage on fixed cameras. There is nothing wrong with AI usage for this, the issue is the laws surrounding penalising the driver for a passengers actions being beyond stupid. Humans are supposed to review the footage before issuing a fine, so AI detection is merely for filtering out the chaff.

    19. 62Siegfried30 on

      Suggest that Rita Saffiati gets of her high horse!!!

      ….people could appeal the fines…. Shouldn’t have too. Ether the authorities have cold hard evidence that the **Driver** did something wrong, not some AI reason. Otherwise, don’t issue the infringement.