AUKUS is binding Australia to a dangerous, unpredictable leader. We need a Plan B now
https://theconversation.com/aukus-is-binding-australia-to-a-dangerous-unpredictable-leader-we-need-a-plan-b-now-276364
AUKUS is binding Australia to a dangerous, unpredictable leader. We need a Plan B now
https://theconversation.com/aukus-is-binding-australia-to-a-dangerous-unpredictable-leader-we-need-a-plan-b-now-276364
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Agreed.
French subs.
Tell the yanks to go pull someone else’s chain.
Demand our billions back.
Dangerous, unpredictable *country*.
Trump could drop dead tomorrow and there’s an entire infrastructure of white supremacists, ethnonationalists, fascists and nazis ready to put themselves forward as Republican leadership. Hell, there’s a few who think they’re Democrats.
This isn’t just about the current admin. It’s going to take decades at best for the US to denazify itself, if it does, and if it does without fracturing.
On Defence I can see:
1. CANZ with Carney
2. CANZS with Singapore – balance out China threat cos the Chinese like Singapore.
Trade is a different matter of course because ASEAN doesn’t like us, but China does.
Nobody sane would tie their future to Donald Trump.
We need fuel and a stable world now, we can work that part out later
We all know we aren’t getting the subs, just walk away and demand the money back. We also know they won’t give the money back but it’s still preferred to being beholden to them like we are.
It’s so frustrating that this perfectly moderate and reasonable position, which must by now have support among a majority of the electorate, is immediately rubbished by most of parliament.
Who then start building strawmen and pretending anyone asking for an alternative wants to get capped by China.
Look to the Gulf states if you want an example of a US ally that houses American military bases being targeted and drawn into war without consent after America begins a war of aggression.
That’s just one of the reasons for pulling out.
AUKUS is Australia being strong armed into equipping with subs to do the bidding of the US. Such subs are not the best defensive option for Australia
Australia is a natural isolated fortress.
We don’t need premium attack subs…we need budget defense subs and lots of them.
We need to develop a nuke we have a third of the worlds uranium, it’s the only way we can guarantee sovereignty.
I don’t mind the US alliance…. But investing in those subs is insanity. Crazy expensive and we will be lucky to see them.
Seems like we’d be safer with no military than being wed to AUKUS. Labor is dead to me after their 1st-in-line support of the Iran action. China just wants Taiwan, and the US out of the region and for them to stop threatening to choke their shipping routes (not a threat anymore, the US is choking the region right now out of their oil supply).
The US has clearly decided that it cannot compete with China economically so it will use its military to dominate and subjugate the world instead. They’re saying it out loud now: Cuba’s next, they’re saying on TV. I can’t believe people think this is a conspiracy theory.
He isn’t king yet… I expected more from the “conversation”. Might have to scrap this rage bait nonsense too. Jesus. Is SBS the ONLY non bias, factual no bullshit news now?
Lmao plan A was having us be even bigger (or smaller if you wish) lapdogs who would do US force projection in Asia for them (all of this sold as defence of our cherished homeland lol). But now that America swapped from a war criminal we liked to one we don’t much like (but will support with our last dying breath anyway), people are asking for a plan B. There never should have been a plan A.
Yet another “No sh!t Sherlock” headline.
Take the loss, and ally with Canada, EU, Japan and S. Korea. Cut as many ties as possible with the US
Pretty funny that there was an article this morning explaining there’s a billion dollars unused for science, but we’re off to buy submarines from O/S.
Seems like the solution is written right there, no-one in this god forsaken land seems to know what to do about it though.
I see no suggestion of alternatives. I recommend nukes. A deterrent against China, India and even USA.
Trump and BuyFromEU movement presents a very unique opportunity for Australia to stop being USA’s bitch. $100b to bribe Trump for nukes. Or go with France who might be happy to do a FU to Scomo’s AUKUS legacy.
I didn’t want nukes growing up but I saw how a warmonger country like USA refused to aid their security partner, Ukraine, not once but twice under both Republican and Democrat US governments. They refused to invade Russia. If USA is scared of Russia, how can we expect USA to support Australia against China, a country with way more firepower, manpower, etc, than Russia?
Plus, there is also the concern that China could ask Trump to order Korea/Japan/US military to stand by while China seizes Australia. Why would Trump say yes? Maybe for a $100B entry fee to Trump’s peace board.
You may not like it now, but remember, getting nukes during peacetime is a helluva lot easier than wartime. Just ask the Ukrainians what they think of nukes: https://theconversation.com/thirty-years-ago-ukrainians-got-rid-of-their-nuclear-arsenal-now-most-of-them-regret-that-decision-251733
Albo does not have the balls to say NO to Trump (like Spain did).
It’s too late, we rely too heavily on resources outside of Australia.
I don’t think there’s a reasonable off-ramp to AUKUS at this point.
We’re limited in what we can do without needlessly pissing off the todler-in-chief and crashing our economy.
We’re much better off moving ahead and using it as the launch pad towards military sovereignty and becoming a military-industrial supplier for our regional allies.
I know the US is ignoring all it’s previous contracts but that doesn’t mean we can do that too. Unfortunately you’re held to a different standard when you’re not a global imperial superpower.
But my understanding is that we’re at least five to ten years away from having the training, infrastructure and plans to be able to stand on our own without the US.
Once we can do that, then yeah we should get out of the USA’s shadow. But there’s no sense doing it in a reactive, uncontrolled way before we’re ready.
Aukus is meant, and to work it must, not be tied to the differing political leanings of successive governments.
It is supposed to be the means of protecting our sea lanes and coastlines from attack, while serving the defence needs of our two major allies, *in the long term*, decades at least.
No leadership lasts forever, including ours, but the cost of avoiding war is ‘eternal vigilance’. And in this case, that means accommodating different leaderships for the long term good of Australia.
Plan B? There’s only one and it ain’t the French. It’s going alone and that just is not going to work for many technical and financial reasons. There is no Plan B.