Its not really a surprise. The worst people you know are now being constantly patted on the head and told they are right by people trying to extract money and power from them.
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whoever could have predicted that ramming identity politics down peoples throat year in and year out could result in pushback?
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Its always a motte and bailey argument too. Start with an extreme view and backtrack to something less extreme then accuse you of not being civil, and its always ‘the left’ that is the problem, as if their one monolithic bloc hellbent on destroying Britain.
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It really doesn’t come as a surprise that we are where we are now. The demographic replacement in places like Glasgow are noticeable. You can walk the length of Sauchiehall street and the only people you’ll hear speaking English are the homeless.
People on the outskirts of Glasgow look in at it as a warning, for what’s coming for them next once it breaches containment. People are tired of being told they’re racist for noticing how bad things have gotten in their homes by outsiders that show up at the weekend with pre-printed signs to tell them to be more welcoming, before going home to their suburbs.
The whole asylum system has been utterly, utterly mismanaged.
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All you have to do is look at a human population graph for the past 200 years. Its going to go back down to where it was one way or another. And its not going to be pretty.
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When might these worried politicians consider giving us what we voted for?
Both extremes of the political spectrum are seeing growing support because of the same problem.
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Tartan_Samurai on
Get in a time machine. Scroll through r/unitedkingdom in 2020 and then scroll through it today. Night and day doesn’t do justice to how much its changed…..
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I’m surprised to see this isn’t mentioned, but I don’t think these views are new or growing at all. People just have confidence to talk about them now. There are politicians talking about it for people to rally around… Just look at the voting history of the last few general elections and brexit.
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It would help if you made all social media display where in the world posters were from, and went after bot farms properly. Reading some of the comments here, you can tell there’s a campaign to spread diversion just from the word choices used.
Indigenous, for example, was never used in far right rhetoric because the various waves of historical settlers like the Norman’s and vikings were taught in school. Now the word is everywhere.
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Yes we’re seeing very extremist views in UK like teachers being forced to go into hiding for portraying Muhammed. Multiple terrorist attacks with multiple organised by Iran recently stopped.
People not being able to burn a book in protest without getting stabbed at and kicked. And the “Islamic Human Rights Association” saying the Ayatollah was on the “right side of history”. As well as students in UK universities mourning his death. Saudi Arabia consider it so bad they won’t subsidize their citizens to study here.
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That’s because they’ve not had their eyes open for the past twenty years, and so it’s come to this. I’ve been wondering since about 2003 when society would finally work up the courage to ask “Do we want this?”, because sure as fuck no one was asked if they did.
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This is the correct answer:
* In late 90’s – mass immigration policy was already planned… before being implemented:
* This tied in with multiple support policies: Culture eg rebrand “multiculturalism“, Education – emphasis on more kids doing degrees due to Eastern European Accession plus 7 year handbreak purposefully not used for the low paying job market and labour skills markets (construction etc), Consumer credit spending and social policy budget increase tied to population increase and financial liquidity etc
* This also tallied with both EU and UN strategy on immigration eg asylum, family reunification and UK state ensuring multiple paths legal into the UK eg student visas etc. Note EU also followed a similar path with breakdown of borders around the edge eg Merkel and Syria and more.
All the above was a DEMOGRAPHIC PLAN at top global level, in tandem with geopolitics eg Western power international strategy eg UN agendas and as important Finances and Sovereign debt ballooning in Central banks systems.
So 3 very important outcomes from the above:
1. Rejection by elites in power of Democracy – it was executive and against majority vote and antidemocratic.
2. Collateral damage of the above was Accepted by the elites on the population eg extreme terrorist increase and the horrific gangs abuse of children.
3. Inevitable lowering of quality of life via this policy eg house prices vs wages vs inflation and money supply printing effects worsening the underlying problems for the future.
Instead if the above coherent 3 decade macro observable trends, it is smothered by repeat rhetoric of using racism to hide the above much bigger reality.
As extreme as a tiny number of people are, is that of much higher magnitude than the above 1-3 especially 2?
Politicians are gaslighters of the general public because they distort a factual building of evidence which is verifiable over time and consistent observation with detraction from argument via reason using rhetoric and trickery. That too is a result.
Let’s correct the problem, via Real Democracy back in the 1990’s, on migration policy it would have solved racism via a consensus and united, rational and useful regulated policy. This outcome if it is true is direct consequence of the Elites abuse of power, trust and stewardship for the present and the future.
Astriania on
There’s two parts to this I think.
One is that the rise of social media and online media more generally means people are split into echo chambers, news is delivered in a clickbait manner, and that means intentionally stirring up division to get more ‘engagement’. Pick any debate and you’ll see the extremes of both sides being pandered to.
But also, people have fairly legitimate demographic and ideological concerns. The article mentions things changing after 2001: well, yes, we’d just been given a clear indication that political Islam was a direct threat to us in the west. That was even more true in 2005 when Muslims born and brought up in England showed they they, too, were a direct terrorist threat, and integration was (at least for some individuals) a lie. Obviously it is not all Muslims but how do we know which ones it is? And unlike skin colour, a religious ideology is a choice, and one that aligns with political positions that a lot of people don’t want to see become more prevalent.
It isn’t *only* Muslims, there are some imported brands of Christianity that are trying to take us down the same road, and they should also be resisted. Islam is also an expressly political ideology and that has real effects on UK democracy, as you can see from single issue Gaza candidates last year.
On the demography point: ethnic Brits are now a minority in several places in the UK, and if you get down to certain suburbs, they are almost entirely removed. Ethnicity may not be that important but it’s a proxy for culture, and that *is* important – it’s what makes Britain feel British. People from other places see that happening and don’t want it to happen to their town too.
This is made far worse by the Boriswave migration policy and illegal immigration, when you have huge numbers of people coming then (i) that causes demographic replacement wherever they end up living and (ii) they are much less likely to integrate because there are a lot of people from the same culture so they don’t need to.
Racism is bad, but we need to be sure that attempts to counter it don’t also cause problems for challenging religion and ideology, or reasoned discussions about our own culture and what valuable parts of that we should actively preserve from change.
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Idk buddy maybe Labour and the Tories should have considered second and third order effects when they embarked on thirty year project of mass immigration. Sectarianism and extremism is an extremely obvious consequence to anyone with a brain.
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If he’s never seen anything like it, was the problem as bad before the dystopia hellhole which created these reactionaries?
digitalpencil on
We’re under attack, every day. Depending on the post topic, commentary from bot accounts is suspected to be anywhere from 20 to as [high as 64%](https://internet2-0.com/bots-on-x-com/). They have broad agenda but we’re being incredibly naive if we don’t account for foreign powers tasking botnets to sow division within society, by amplifying topics and normalising what would have prior, been niche and extreme takes.
They’re playing all sides against each other because an enemy divided amongst itself, is weak.
The Internet Research Agency, and now SDA are tasked explicitly with this objective. They aren’t the source of our issues, but they are absolutely, furiously fanning at the flames of any and every topic with the potential to further social divides.
Does anyone think replacing the native Brit population – who has nowhere else to go – would be received gracefully?
SoggyWotsits on
Demographics changing at a rapid rate and being expected to like it or like it. I’m not condoning violence or extreme views, but I see why people get frustrated. The only other alternative is what most people do, which is stay quiet and watch the changes.
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Its not really a surprise. The worst people you know are now being constantly patted on the head and told they are right by people trying to extract money and power from them.
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whoever could have predicted that ramming identity politics down peoples throat year in and year out could result in pushback?
Its always a motte and bailey argument too. Start with an extreme view and backtrack to something less extreme then accuse you of not being civil, and its always ‘the left’ that is the problem, as if their one monolithic bloc hellbent on destroying Britain.
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It really doesn’t come as a surprise that we are where we are now. The demographic replacement in places like Glasgow are noticeable. You can walk the length of Sauchiehall street and the only people you’ll hear speaking English are the homeless.
People on the outskirts of Glasgow look in at it as a warning, for what’s coming for them next once it breaches containment. People are tired of being told they’re racist for noticing how bad things have gotten in their homes by outsiders that show up at the weekend with pre-printed signs to tell them to be more welcoming, before going home to their suburbs.
The whole asylum system has been utterly, utterly mismanaged.
All you have to do is look at a human population graph for the past 200 years. Its going to go back down to where it was one way or another. And its not going to be pretty.
When might these worried politicians consider giving us what we voted for?
Both extremes of the political spectrum are seeing growing support because of the same problem.
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Get in a time machine. Scroll through r/unitedkingdom in 2020 and then scroll through it today. Night and day doesn’t do justice to how much its changed…..
I’m surprised to see this isn’t mentioned, but I don’t think these views are new or growing at all. People just have confidence to talk about them now. There are politicians talking about it for people to rally around… Just look at the voting history of the last few general elections and brexit.
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It would help if you made all social media display where in the world posters were from, and went after bot farms properly. Reading some of the comments here, you can tell there’s a campaign to spread diversion just from the word choices used.
Indigenous, for example, was never used in far right rhetoric because the various waves of historical settlers like the Norman’s and vikings were taught in school. Now the word is everywhere.
Yes we’re seeing very extremist views in UK like teachers being forced to go into hiding for portraying Muhammed. Multiple terrorist attacks with multiple organised by Iran recently stopped.
People not being able to burn a book in protest without getting stabbed at and kicked. And the “Islamic Human Rights Association” saying the Ayatollah was on the “right side of history”. As well as students in UK universities mourning his death. Saudi Arabia consider it so bad they won’t subsidize their citizens to study here.
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That’s because they’ve not had their eyes open for the past twenty years, and so it’s come to this. I’ve been wondering since about 2003 when society would finally work up the courage to ask “Do we want this?”, because sure as fuck no one was asked if they did.
This is the correct answer:
* In late 90’s – mass immigration policy was already planned… before being implemented:
* This tied in with multiple support policies: Culture eg rebrand “multiculturalism“, Education – emphasis on more kids doing degrees due to Eastern European Accession plus 7 year handbreak purposefully not used for the low paying job market and labour skills markets (construction etc), Consumer credit spending and social policy budget increase tied to population increase and financial liquidity etc
* This also tallied with both EU and UN strategy on immigration eg asylum, family reunification and UK state ensuring multiple paths legal into the UK eg student visas etc. Note EU also followed a similar path with breakdown of borders around the edge eg Merkel and Syria and more.
All the above was a DEMOGRAPHIC PLAN at top global level, in tandem with geopolitics eg Western power international strategy eg UN agendas and as important Finances and Sovereign debt ballooning in Central banks systems.
So 3 very important outcomes from the above:
1. Rejection by elites in power of Democracy – it was executive and against majority vote and antidemocratic.
2. Collateral damage of the above was Accepted by the elites on the population eg extreme terrorist increase and the horrific gangs abuse of children.
3. Inevitable lowering of quality of life via this policy eg house prices vs wages vs inflation and money supply printing effects worsening the underlying problems for the future.
Instead if the above coherent 3 decade macro observable trends, it is smothered by repeat rhetoric of using racism to hide the above much bigger reality.
As extreme as a tiny number of people are, is that of much higher magnitude than the above 1-3 especially 2?
Politicians are gaslighters of the general public because they distort a factual building of evidence which is verifiable over time and consistent observation with detraction from argument via reason using rhetoric and trickery. That too is a result.
Let’s correct the problem, via Real Democracy back in the 1990’s, on migration policy it would have solved racism via a consensus and united, rational and useful regulated policy. This outcome if it is true is direct consequence of the Elites abuse of power, trust and stewardship for the present and the future.
There’s two parts to this I think.
One is that the rise of social media and online media more generally means people are split into echo chambers, news is delivered in a clickbait manner, and that means intentionally stirring up division to get more ‘engagement’. Pick any debate and you’ll see the extremes of both sides being pandered to.
But also, people have fairly legitimate demographic and ideological concerns. The article mentions things changing after 2001: well, yes, we’d just been given a clear indication that political Islam was a direct threat to us in the west. That was even more true in 2005 when Muslims born and brought up in England showed they they, too, were a direct terrorist threat, and integration was (at least for some individuals) a lie. Obviously it is not all Muslims but how do we know which ones it is? And unlike skin colour, a religious ideology is a choice, and one that aligns with political positions that a lot of people don’t want to see become more prevalent.
It isn’t *only* Muslims, there are some imported brands of Christianity that are trying to take us down the same road, and they should also be resisted. Islam is also an expressly political ideology and that has real effects on UK democracy, as you can see from single issue Gaza candidates last year.
On the demography point: ethnic Brits are now a minority in several places in the UK, and if you get down to certain suburbs, they are almost entirely removed. Ethnicity may not be that important but it’s a proxy for culture, and that *is* important – it’s what makes Britain feel British. People from other places see that happening and don’t want it to happen to their town too.
This is made far worse by the Boriswave migration policy and illegal immigration, when you have huge numbers of people coming then (i) that causes demographic replacement wherever they end up living and (ii) they are much less likely to integrate because there are a lot of people from the same culture so they don’t need to.
Racism is bad, but we need to be sure that attempts to counter it don’t also cause problems for challenging religion and ideology, or reasoned discussions about our own culture and what valuable parts of that we should actively preserve from change.
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Idk buddy maybe Labour and the Tories should have considered second and third order effects when they embarked on thirty year project of mass immigration. Sectarianism and extremism is an extremely obvious consequence to anyone with a brain.
If he’s never seen anything like it, was the problem as bad before the dystopia hellhole which created these reactionaries?
We’re under attack, every day. Depending on the post topic, commentary from bot accounts is suspected to be anywhere from 20 to as [high as 64%](https://internet2-0.com/bots-on-x-com/). They have broad agenda but we’re being incredibly naive if we don’t account for foreign powers tasking botnets to sow division within society, by amplifying topics and normalising what would have prior, been niche and extreme takes.
They’re playing all sides against each other because an enemy divided amongst itself, is weak.
The Internet Research Agency, and now SDA are tasked explicitly with this objective. They aren’t the source of our issues, but they are absolutely, furiously fanning at the flames of any and every topic with the potential to further social divides.
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/137852/html/
https://gnet-research.org/2024/09/18/the-uk-riots-misinformation-and-foreign-interference-a-smoking-gun-or-something-else/
https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/how-did-foreign-actors-exploit-recent-riots-uk
Does anyone think replacing the native Brit population – who has nowhere else to go – would be received gracefully?
Demographics changing at a rapid rate and being expected to like it or like it. I’m not condoning violence or extreme views, but I see why people get frustrated. The only other alternative is what most people do, which is stay quiet and watch the changes.