Canada suffers from the creeping enshittification of healthcare that is privatization.
MentalSky_ on
Blood donation used to be managed by a federal organization. Canada blood services. It’s now been privatized out.
TheDarthSnarf on
> The deaths occurred at facilities operated by the Spanish healthcare company Grifols. In both cases, the two donors went into “distress” while donating
and
> Grifols said in a statement it had “no reason to believe that there is a correlation between the donors’ passing and plasma donation”
We’ve investigated ourselves and determined that we’ve done nothing wrong…
No-Athlete-4851 on
I’m donating at a Grifols literally as I read this 🫠
Yay lmao
Kelnozz on
so wtf happened to them to cause their deaths?
A one off occurrence is nothing special but multiple is very strange.
(I’m Canadian and had donated to Grifols before)
SweetLikeACherryCola on
This is why healthcare needs to be a SERVICE and not a business.
RickAllen on
I almost died donating plasma. It was a terrifying experience and it was the last time I did it. This should be investigated thoroughly. I got lucky, others won’t.
Ksan_of_Tongass on
Grifols isn’t known for their top-notch staffing. They are the largest plasma collectors in the world. Over 400 facilities in 110 countries, 300 in North America. 23,800 total employees, but only about 10-12000 in North America. They hire anyone with a pulse, and most of their facilities are in impoverished areas. I’m surprised we dont hear about this more often.
Initial-Lead-2814 on
I haven’t read the article but if the picture is from the article did they have sickle cell or something that complicated the process and was this there first visits or had they been going for a bit?
YourDreams2Life on
I donated a few times at Grifols.
Everything felt top notch, cleaner, faster, more luxurious, and nicer than public services.
However, they kept telling me if I had any issues just let them know. When I asked if we could switch arms at my last appoint, because my regular arm was sore from donating before, they passive aggressively argued with me about it.
locnloaded9mm on
I remember watching a crime YouTube channel and a phlebotomist killed 2 or 3 people and I watched her interrogation. A witness who was a regular for dialysis said she noticed the nurse do something different that hadn’t happened over the years she has gone.
feochampas on
I would still like to know what happened. That shouldn’t happen.
Plasma donation was how I got gas money for college.
gp556by45 on
I hated dealing with Grifols.
Every single time I have ever gone to donate, I have always had issues with them in one way or another.
Last (and will remain the last time I ever set foot in that place) time I donated, I got poked by someone who admitted it was their first time EVER drawing plasma (I honestly don’t know how that was even allowed or possible).
She missed my veins 4 times between both arms, and the last jab she stuck it in so deep into my arm I told her to take it out. She told me to shut up.
A lab tech, an inexperienced one at that…told ME to SHUT UP because she was causing me so much pain and discomfort I told her to stop. It’s not like I don’t know pain either; I broke my back 2 1/2 years ago.
First time I ever donated with them, the person doing my intake was insinuating that I was “donating under duress”.
I’ve had better experiences in the ER than I did at a Grifols clinic.
retailguy_again on
I’m in the US, and “donated” (I don’t know why they call it a donation; it’s a transaction) plasma twice a week for about 10 years. It was, in effect, my second job.
I had only one instance of light-headedness in that time. No problems otherwise, but the phlebotomists kept a pretty close eye on the donors. They had one for every six of us, and any issues were addressed immediately.
Even one death needs to be investigated by someone independent of the company. It might be a fluke, but the cause *must* be determined so it doesn’t happen again.
*Two* deaths may indicate a pattern, which makes an investigation even more crucial.
melt11 on
Something, something, TYPICAL AMERICANS…oh wait…
ShadowCobra479 on
Didn’t die, but when I used to donate plasma there was a nurse who clearly didn’t know her stuff despite being there for over a year. She bruised one vein so badly that when I next donated and the machine stopped sucking they couldn’t put my blood back because that other vein was too bruised.
newmoonchaperone on
that is bad journalism
none for me, none from me.
bye
Jonas_VentureJr on
They are going to find out, the clinics are ran by Vampires, bad ones .
Coops_514 on
I had a really bad experience at Grifols, and I’ve donated plasma a lot there as well as different blood products elsewhere throughout adulthood.
One time donating there, the IV wasn’t in right, and my arm was swelling up and it was so sore and when I told them, they visually inspected it and told me it was fine. So, I second guessed myself and let them continue, then it got really bad and I felt like my arm was going to explode near the end of the process. I went home, walked upstairs into my bathroom and fainted. I couldn’t get off the floor for an hour, I felt so unwell, sweaty dizzy and weak. No cell phone nearby, I think I went into shock due to a vasovagal reaction, as an RN myself, I see how it could have been better handled on site if they had taken my pain more seriously.
It was really scary so I haven’t gone back. I hope the families of those donors get answers about what happened in their cases.
its_over88 on
Damn this happened at the clinic I go to. I would be surprised if this was caused by donating itself and not caused by some preexisting health problems, judging by how I’ve seen things are ran there myself .
blackeyeX2 on
Someone swapped the sodium citrate and the normal saline bags. Calcium in blood sequestered leading to bleeding and abnormal heart rhythm and muscle spasms.
Responsible_Place_21 on
My friend was denied donating plasma bc she was so nervous her heart rate was above 140. That was just last week (in Canada).
ExtentAggravating733 on
More interesting than the headline is that both deaths happened in the same city at the same company
AssSpelunker69 on
Of course it’s Grifols. They’ve fucked over so many people, including me.
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Canada suffers from the creeping enshittification of healthcare that is privatization.
Blood donation used to be managed by a federal organization. Canada blood services. It’s now been privatized out.
> The deaths occurred at facilities operated by the Spanish healthcare company Grifols. In both cases, the two donors went into “distress” while donating
and
> Grifols said in a statement it had “no reason to believe that there is a correlation between the donors’ passing and plasma donation”
We’ve investigated ourselves and determined that we’ve done nothing wrong…
I’m donating at a Grifols literally as I read this 🫠
Yay lmao
so wtf happened to them to cause their deaths?
A one off occurrence is nothing special but multiple is very strange.
(I’m Canadian and had donated to Grifols before)
This is why healthcare needs to be a SERVICE and not a business.
I almost died donating plasma. It was a terrifying experience and it was the last time I did it. This should be investigated thoroughly. I got lucky, others won’t.
Grifols isn’t known for their top-notch staffing. They are the largest plasma collectors in the world. Over 400 facilities in 110 countries, 300 in North America. 23,800 total employees, but only about 10-12000 in North America. They hire anyone with a pulse, and most of their facilities are in impoverished areas. I’m surprised we dont hear about this more often.
I haven’t read the article but if the picture is from the article did they have sickle cell or something that complicated the process and was this there first visits or had they been going for a bit?
I donated a few times at Grifols.
Everything felt top notch, cleaner, faster, more luxurious, and nicer than public services.
However, they kept telling me if I had any issues just let them know. When I asked if we could switch arms at my last appoint, because my regular arm was sore from donating before, they passive aggressively argued with me about it.
I remember watching a crime YouTube channel and a phlebotomist killed 2 or 3 people and I watched her interrogation. A witness who was a regular for dialysis said she noticed the nurse do something different that hadn’t happened over the years she has gone.
I would still like to know what happened. That shouldn’t happen.
Plasma donation was how I got gas money for college.
I hated dealing with Grifols.
Every single time I have ever gone to donate, I have always had issues with them in one way or another.
Last (and will remain the last time I ever set foot in that place) time I donated, I got poked by someone who admitted it was their first time EVER drawing plasma (I honestly don’t know how that was even allowed or possible).
She missed my veins 4 times between both arms, and the last jab she stuck it in so deep into my arm I told her to take it out. She told me to shut up.
A lab tech, an inexperienced one at that…told ME to SHUT UP because she was causing me so much pain and discomfort I told her to stop. It’s not like I don’t know pain either; I broke my back 2 1/2 years ago.
First time I ever donated with them, the person doing my intake was insinuating that I was “donating under duress”.
I’ve had better experiences in the ER than I did at a Grifols clinic.
I’m in the US, and “donated” (I don’t know why they call it a donation; it’s a transaction) plasma twice a week for about 10 years. It was, in effect, my second job.
I had only one instance of light-headedness in that time. No problems otherwise, but the phlebotomists kept a pretty close eye on the donors. They had one for every six of us, and any issues were addressed immediately.
Even one death needs to be investigated by someone independent of the company. It might be a fluke, but the cause *must* be determined so it doesn’t happen again.
*Two* deaths may indicate a pattern, which makes an investigation even more crucial.
Something, something, TYPICAL AMERICANS…oh wait…
Didn’t die, but when I used to donate plasma there was a nurse who clearly didn’t know her stuff despite being there for over a year. She bruised one vein so badly that when I next donated and the machine stopped sucking they couldn’t put my blood back because that other vein was too bruised.
that is bad journalism
none for me, none from me.
bye
They are going to find out, the clinics are ran by Vampires, bad ones .
I had a really bad experience at Grifols, and I’ve donated plasma a lot there as well as different blood products elsewhere throughout adulthood.
One time donating there, the IV wasn’t in right, and my arm was swelling up and it was so sore and when I told them, they visually inspected it and told me it was fine. So, I second guessed myself and let them continue, then it got really bad and I felt like my arm was going to explode near the end of the process. I went home, walked upstairs into my bathroom and fainted. I couldn’t get off the floor for an hour, I felt so unwell, sweaty dizzy and weak. No cell phone nearby, I think I went into shock due to a vasovagal reaction, as an RN myself, I see how it could have been better handled on site if they had taken my pain more seriously.
It was really scary so I haven’t gone back. I hope the families of those donors get answers about what happened in their cases.
Damn this happened at the clinic I go to. I would be surprised if this was caused by donating itself and not caused by some preexisting health problems, judging by how I’ve seen things are ran there myself .
Someone swapped the sodium citrate and the normal saline bags. Calcium in blood sequestered leading to bleeding and abnormal heart rhythm and muscle spasms.
My friend was denied donating plasma bc she was so nervous her heart rate was above 140. That was just last week (in Canada).
More interesting than the headline is that both deaths happened in the same city at the same company
Of course it’s Grifols. They’ve fucked over so many people, including me.