
Almost a week ago I uploaded a map of how I would personally reorganize the administrative resignations of Spain, under the idea of a federal Spain and taking into account historical, cultural and linguistic factors, and desires for separation or union from the 19th century to the present.
The post attracted both praise and criticism, and many people who decided to give me advice and ideas of possible errors and/or misinformation that I had used to create the map. The truth is that I really appreciate all the people who constructively criticized some of the things I did in the first map, and I decided to take them into account for this second version.
Obviously something that happened in the first post is people giving contradictory ideas, so when it came to making changes I opted for the options that had the most comments and/or upvotes.
With all this already said, I give way to:
Changes made compared to the first version
- The addition of the province of Malaga to the state of Granada. Maybe the change with more people supporting it. When I made the first version, at first I was going to add the province of Malaga to the other three, but after investigating and seeing how during the two major attempts to separate Andalusia, Malaga backed down a bit, I preferred to be cautious and leave it with Andalusia/Betica. But many people in the post commented that Malaga should be part of Granada, so it’s done.
- Navarre. As I said in the original post, whether or not the union of the Basque Country and Navarra is a controversial issue, and one with which in my opinion I saw good both union and separation. In this version I preferred to be cautious and separate them unlike version 1.0
- Rioja. My intention in the original map was to give Rioja areas that they had had when the province of Logroño was first formed at the beginning of the 19th century, in addition to others that my Internet search had people saying were culturally Rioja. Well, since no one supported that idea in the first post and there were quite a few people against it, La Rioja stays as it is IRL.
- The addition of areas from Madrid to Old Castilla. I was informed in the first post that municipalities in the mountain area and the Guadarrama basin in Madrid felt culturally linked to Segovia. And after a little research I discovered that several parts had been part of Segovia until the mid-19th century. The regions of Sierra Oeste and Cuenca del Guadarrama have been added in their entirety, while in the Sierra Norte I have been cautious and have only given the municipalities that were once part of Segovia, since other kingdoms such as Toledo or Guadalajara controlled other parts of the Sierra Norte.
Questions and doubts for a possible version 3.0
Although the truth is that I am more than satisfied with this map, there are still some possibilities and "What Ifs" I’m still thinking about them and I would really like to know the opinion of others (preferably people who live in the aforementioned autonomous communities or who have knowledge of them) on whether to make them on a possible version 3.0
Among them there are some like:
- The union of León with Asturias. There is a historical, cultural and linguistic reference, and I know that the idea has been proposed a couple of times by the Leonese regionalist movement, and that it was about to be done in the transition, stopped for political purposes. But I don’t know how the idea is seen today by people from León or Asturias, so I would like to know more.
- Navarra and Basque Country. Something that was mentioned in the previous post is the idea of a union between Navarra and the Basque Country, but under the flag of Navarra. I don’t know how the Basque or Navarrese themselves would see that idea, but it has more historical reference than the union under Euskadi. Again I would like to know opinions on this.
- Union of Castiles. Castilianism is a movement that can almost never win, since almost all the regions that would be part of a hypothetical Greater Castilla have a strong regionalist sentiment. That’s why I considered uniting Old and New Castile into a single Castile. But what stops me more than anything is the fact that perhaps it would be too big a state, and that the people in La Nueva would be ignored and left aside by La Vieja where the capital and more populated areas would be. I would like to know if my intuition is correct.
- Names. Something I’ve seen in my various Internet research is the idea that some regionalist feelings are based on the fact that they don’t feel like part of a region with a specific name. Alicante and Castellón residents, for example, who resent being called "Valencians" because they don’t feel like they are from Valencia. And I fear that perhaps similar things could happen in states that are also named after a single city or region like Granada or León. Knowing if that is a common feeling or a marginal one would help me decide on that.
Version 3.0 will take a little longer than this one since I will accompany it with "fake infoboxes" from Wikipedia on hypothetical states.
And with this and a cake, time to see where they hit me this time: v
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Posted by ManuJM1997

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Que usaste para crear el mapa?
Más allá de los motivos de coña, dudo que ningún asturiano (y pocos o ningún leonés) quiera fusionar las dos provincias.
Es un poco tonto dividir castilla la mancha en dos, separadas apenas tienen relevancia.
Yo a Aragon le añadiría la antigua provincia de Calatayud. Por lo demás, del resto de zonas no se como cuanto sentido tienen o no, pero lo de que Madrid municipio sea una provincia, me parece bien
Cantabria tiene que ser parte de Castilla, siempre ha sido parte de ella y ha sido historicamente su puerto
Castellanofobia
La Región de Castilla en Castilla y León deberían ser las provincias de: Ávila, Burgos, Palencia, Segovia, Soria, Valladolid y Guadalajara.
La Mancha deberia ser una comunidad autónoma propia y que la conformen Albacete, Ciudad Real, Toledo y Cuenca.
Gracias por unirnos a los guadarrameños a Segovia. Comenté el tema por comentar porque me gustó tu esfuerzo inicial, ver que lo corriges y sigues con el proyecto me alegra aún más. Suerte
La división de Andalucía es una estupidez. Desde el siglo XIII ya es un concepto presente (véase el Adelantado Mayor de Andalucía), aunque circunscrito, aproximadamente, a la actual Andalucía Occidental, y, desde el siglo XVIII, se considera a Granada en ese ámbito (véase los ‘cuatro reinos de Andalucía’).
¿Hay diferencias entre unas zonas/partes/áreas y otras de Andalucía? Obviamente. Como las hay en otras regiones, en las que ni por asomo se plantearían ‘dividirse’ por ello. ¿Hay ‘rencillas’ por el centralismo de Miarmalandia? Obviamente, como las habría, en un territorio tan extenso e intrincado (histórica, social y económicamente) si la capital fuera otra. Es más, en una hipotética ‘Andalucía Oriental’, ¿alguien cree que acaso la capital no se la disputaría/arrebataría Málaga a Granada? Pues eso.
La hipotetica unión de la Comunidad Autónoma Vasca y de la Comunidad Foral de Navarra no creo que tomase el nombre de Euskadi, ese es el nombre que se usa solo para la comunidad de las 3 provincias (Álava, Guipúzcoa y Vizcaya) y fue puesto por el PNV.
Si está unión se hubiese dado hace años, cuando ese partido era de largo la fuerza política regional predominante, tal vez se hubiera usado ese nombre. Hoy en día ya no tienen ese dominio, está bastante repartido con Bildu, así que creo que se adoptaría el nombre de Euskal Herria.
En cuanto a la bandera. Las cadenas de Navarra sobre un fondo rojo son el escudo de armas del antiguo reino y para la gente que ve Euskal Herria como nación, la cual incluye las tres provincias en territorio francés, siempre se ha dicho que la capital de todo es Pamplona. Como bandera se usan ambas aunque suele predominar la Ikurriña, así que yo creo que se adoptaría algo parecido a las banderas de Andalucía, Aragón o Galicia que tienen un escudo de armas delante de la bandera.
Hasta que a Aragón no nos pongas acceso al Mar, este mapa es erróneo.
Yo añadiría Petilla de Aragón y el Rincón de Ademuz a Aragón, visto que has añadido Treviño y Villaverde al País Vasco. En general quitaría los enclaves, incluso a nivel provincial, sí que es verdad que muchos de ellos tienen un orígen histórico, pero culturalmente no difieren tampoco tanto de las provincias que les rodean.
También es verdad que Treviño y Villaverde han tenido intención real de integrarse en el Pais Vasco y los otros dos no, por lo menos hasta donde yo sé, pero bueno, es una propuesta.
Estaría bien tener la opinión de algún ademuzero al respecto (de Petilla no digo nada porque está prácticamente deshabitado, me sorprenderia si hay alguien del pueblo aquí jajaja).
No tiene sentido dividir al Bierzo por límites lingüísticos aproximados que ya ni existen. Hay muchos más lazos dentro del Bierzo entre si que con las regiones vecinas
Dile a uno de salamanca/Zamora que es leones 😂
Por qué Murcia tiene Villena y no Torrevieja? Yo le veo más sentido así.
Necesito Reorganización Territorial 3: Tokyo Drift