Ss: Trump called upon “countries of the world that receive oil through the Hormuz Strait” to “take care of that passage,” as he put it in a post Sunday on Truth Social. In an interview with the Financial Times the same day, he went further, warning that NATO would have a “very bad future” if its members did not help free up the strait.
It was “a bit rich” for Trump to be asking help from countries he had previously insulted, former Estonian President Toomas Hendrik Ilves told NBC News in a telephone interview Monday.
bigHam100 on
Most of the oil doesn’t even go to Europe so I really doubt they would want to send one of their ships down there only to get hit by a drone.
Odd-Local9893 on
I don’t disagree with the sentiment from European powers who were not included nor consulted on the invasion, but I can’t help but think that this is idealistic thinking on their part.
Case in point: WW1 & WW2 in Europe wasn’t America’s war either, but it eventually involved us despite enormous pressure at home to not get involved.
IndependenceEarly572 on
Liability is shared however. The longer this goes on the longer European energy is going to suffer. There should be some incentive to set least secure the flow of energy through the straight
Old_Moose_8198 on
Spain’s current response stood out to me. They were saying any military intervention would be a stopgap measure versus ending the war now. IMO, if all of Europe unified around that message to the USA, that could amount to really powerful leverage. In other words, “stop the war first and then we’ll talk.”
Lysmerry on
Can someone explain to me why Trump is asking for naval help? It just sets him up to be embarrassed. And the US’s problem is not lack of ships or manpower. Is it to share the embarrassment of this debacle?
1-randomonium on
When every American ally and indeed every country in the world besides Israel is unanimous in what a bad idea this is, maybe they’re all on to something.
So is Trump going to take note or is he just going to start threatening the allies again?
DarthKrataa on
I really struggle with this.
I mean i don’t understand how Trump or his supporters can get behind this.
He broke it, he fix’s it.
It doesn’t take a military genius to work out that if Iran is under threat they’re going to use that strait of Hormuz as leverage therefore you would think that any military planner would have made securing it priority number one. Then to say on the one hand that we have “100% destroyed Irans military” yet on the other demand that everyone else fix his mess, just doesn’t add up.
There is zero logic behind his messaging on Iran, nothing.
I honestly struggle to see how anyone can keep supporting him after this.
Lewy1978 on
Tump has spent the last few years alienating and belittling every western ally and global institution that the US used to lead and be partners with now he expects everyone to come running ? Let’s be frank if this was Obama asking, the allies would be there in a shot, but Obama would never have started a pointless war or destroyed global geopolitical stability.
GodOfBoy8 on
Its already bad enough we are a puppet state to israel. Other nato has no obligation to become an israel puppet as well. Trump is so against our allies but is best buds with Putin and Kim Jong Un. Thats worrying
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AlerteGeo_OSINT on
The “not our war” framing from allies is geopolitically accurate but operationally misleading. Whether European and Asian powers formally join the Hormuz campaign or not, they’re already paying for it. Insurance premiums on Gulf-bound tankers have reportedly increased 10x since the strait closure began, and every barrel rerouted around the Cape adds $2-3 to the delivered cost.
What makes this different from past coalition-building (Gulf War, Libya) is that the US doesn’t actually need military contributions from allies. It needs political cover. The carrier strike groups and B-2 deployments can handle the kinetic side. What Washington lacks is a multilateral framework that makes this look like a rules-based response rather than a unilateral escalation.
The interesting wildcard is Japan and South Korea. Both are far more dependent on Hormuz transit than any European state (roughly 80% of Japan’s oil passes through the strait), yet neither has been publicly pressured the way NATO allies have. That asymmetry suggests the real negotiation is happening in defense-spending and trade channels, not at the operational level.
Watch India’s posture carefully. They’ve been quietly expanding naval patrols in the Arabian Sea for weeks now, which could evolve into a de facto parallel escort operation without any formal coalition commitment.
coolkavo on
Straight abysmal. The reason other US admins have not attacked Iran is bc of this scenario. Not a lot of planning here, Donald and co. underestimated Iran resolve, asymmetric weapons systems, and social/political matters. And they have Israel as a partner in this with no oversight and different war objectives.
DiscoLego on
The “Straits of Hormuz” is 100 miles long and at its widest 60 miles wide and at its narrowest 20 miles wide.
This amounts to an area of about 6,000 square miles.
Seriously. With all the air and naval support of the US military, are we not able to protect 6,000 square miles?
Positive we can. Someone’s lying.
Scomosuckseggs on
Did he not tell us that he does not need help from countries that join ‘after he has already won’…?
Im glad we said no. Trump made this mess, trump can get himself out of this mess. And if/when he doesnt, he can fall on his sword and do everyone a favor and throw himself in prison.
Intelligent_Kick_436 on
The US didn’t consult with the EU, Canada, UK, Japan, and Australia before starting this war. Assuming in another scenario where it was legal according to UN rules and they gave their support – then of course, they would likely be stepping up and sharing in the consequences if things went sideways.
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Ss: Trump called upon “countries of the world that receive oil through the Hormuz Strait” to “take care of that passage,” as he put it in a post Sunday on Truth Social. In an interview with the Financial Times the same day, he went further, warning that NATO would have a “very bad future” if its members did not help free up the strait.
It was “a bit rich” for Trump to be asking help from countries he had previously insulted, former Estonian President Toomas Hendrik Ilves told NBC News in a telephone interview Monday.
Most of the oil doesn’t even go to Europe so I really doubt they would want to send one of their ships down there only to get hit by a drone.
I don’t disagree with the sentiment from European powers who were not included nor consulted on the invasion, but I can’t help but think that this is idealistic thinking on their part.
Case in point: WW1 & WW2 in Europe wasn’t America’s war either, but it eventually involved us despite enormous pressure at home to not get involved.
Liability is shared however. The longer this goes on the longer European energy is going to suffer. There should be some incentive to set least secure the flow of energy through the straight
Spain’s current response stood out to me. They were saying any military intervention would be a stopgap measure versus ending the war now. IMO, if all of Europe unified around that message to the USA, that could amount to really powerful leverage. In other words, “stop the war first and then we’ll talk.”
Can someone explain to me why Trump is asking for naval help? It just sets him up to be embarrassed. And the US’s problem is not lack of ships or manpower. Is it to share the embarrassment of this debacle?
When every American ally and indeed every country in the world besides Israel is unanimous in what a bad idea this is, maybe they’re all on to something.
So is Trump going to take note or is he just going to start threatening the allies again?
I really struggle with this.
I mean i don’t understand how Trump or his supporters can get behind this.
He broke it, he fix’s it.
It doesn’t take a military genius to work out that if Iran is under threat they’re going to use that strait of Hormuz as leverage therefore you would think that any military planner would have made securing it priority number one. Then to say on the one hand that we have “100% destroyed Irans military” yet on the other demand that everyone else fix his mess, just doesn’t add up.
There is zero logic behind his messaging on Iran, nothing.
I honestly struggle to see how anyone can keep supporting him after this.
Tump has spent the last few years alienating and belittling every western ally and global institution that the US used to lead and be partners with now he expects everyone to come running ? Let’s be frank if this was Obama asking, the allies would be there in a shot, but Obama would never have started a pointless war or destroyed global geopolitical stability.
Its already bad enough we are a puppet state to israel. Other nato has no obligation to become an israel puppet as well. Trump is so against our allies but is best buds with Putin and Kim Jong Un. Thats worrying
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The “not our war” framing from allies is geopolitically accurate but operationally misleading. Whether European and Asian powers formally join the Hormuz campaign or not, they’re already paying for it. Insurance premiums on Gulf-bound tankers have reportedly increased 10x since the strait closure began, and every barrel rerouted around the Cape adds $2-3 to the delivered cost.
What makes this different from past coalition-building (Gulf War, Libya) is that the US doesn’t actually need military contributions from allies. It needs political cover. The carrier strike groups and B-2 deployments can handle the kinetic side. What Washington lacks is a multilateral framework that makes this look like a rules-based response rather than a unilateral escalation.
The interesting wildcard is Japan and South Korea. Both are far more dependent on Hormuz transit than any European state (roughly 80% of Japan’s oil passes through the strait), yet neither has been publicly pressured the way NATO allies have. That asymmetry suggests the real negotiation is happening in defense-spending and trade channels, not at the operational level.
Watch India’s posture carefully. They’ve been quietly expanding naval patrols in the Arabian Sea for weeks now, which could evolve into a de facto parallel escort operation without any formal coalition commitment.
Straight abysmal. The reason other US admins have not attacked Iran is bc of this scenario. Not a lot of planning here, Donald and co. underestimated Iran resolve, asymmetric weapons systems, and social/political matters. And they have Israel as a partner in this with no oversight and different war objectives.
The “Straits of Hormuz” is 100 miles long and at its widest 60 miles wide and at its narrowest 20 miles wide.
This amounts to an area of about 6,000 square miles.
Seriously. With all the air and naval support of the US military, are we not able to protect 6,000 square miles?
Positive we can. Someone’s lying.
Did he not tell us that he does not need help from countries that join ‘after he has already won’…?
Im glad we said no. Trump made this mess, trump can get himself out of this mess. And if/when he doesnt, he can fall on his sword and do everyone a favor and throw himself in prison.
The US didn’t consult with the EU, Canada, UK, Japan, and Australia before starting this war. Assuming in another scenario where it was legal according to UN rules and they gave their support – then of course, they would likely be stepping up and sharing in the consequences if things went sideways.