We could start by following guidance issued by the IEA first. Something like encouraging WFH would go a long way.
Mediocre_Run_2756 on
FFS: had our leaders actually planned for rainy days we could be self sufficient on the energy front. Instead they virtue signalled and literally turned away potential customers who could boost our economy.
bornguy on
Diesel is more probable than gas.
NavyDean on
Hey, you know what would be a great idea?
Get rid of the 5 days back to office, so we can immediately reduce domestic consumption.
Wow! What a concept!
It not only takes 0 effort, it’s 100% common sense.
No, in 1979 we didnt really have an oil industry in the first place
Electioncanthrowaway on
Bangladesh is on 4 day work week to save fuel. Of course that could never happen in Canada. Or reinstating Wfh if possible.
Oxjrnine on
I guess the Chinese EVs couldn’t be arriving at a better time.
linkass on
The biggest problem for Canada in this probably won’t be actual shortages unless the USA bans exports then the east is pretty fucked.What it could do is drive the cost into the stratosphere.
What actually boggles my mind is the seeming lack of concern in some European countries and Australia .
One thing if it drags much longer is people are going to get a good look at what decarbonization actually looks like
Canada produces enough oil for its own domestic needs and still has enough leftover for exports. Canada also has enough land to be storing petroleum reserve that’s been extracted from the ground, at minimum, that would last the country for months if not an entire year.
The result of any price increase is an indirect result of not having enough pipelines to the east and refineries across the country, along with the lack of relevant contingency by authorities to cap prices and export in extraordinary times. Any calls of rationing is simply fear-mongering, or if it really comes down to that, poor governance.
nim_opet on
You’re saying we had 47 years to learn the lesson about dependency on fossil fuels and chose instead to subsidize oil and gas and double down on it? Yeah, sounds about right. A country that’s still debating whether to electrify trains in, checks date…2nd quarter of the 21st century
yeetzapizza123 on
“Rationing wasn’t enacted”
Anyways yeah totally need to wfh tho lol
RM_r_us on
I’d rather have a 4 day work week to do my part.
Husky_ii on
If only there was an alternative to oil
Dano1988 on
Be kinda cool if all the people who could work from home did. Wonder how much gas that’d save? Jesus christ.
Lisan_Al-NaCL on
The headline is nonsensical
Canada is a massive NET Exporter of Oil.
West of Ontario, 95%+ of our gasoline, diesel, and other refined petrol products are produced and refined HERE. Ontario and Quebec are a mixed bag of importing refined products and self-refining either a) domestic unrefined oil or b) imported unrefined oil. The martimes, IIRC, imports a fair bit of oil from overseas or from the US via ocean tanker (Thanks Irving Family).
Admirable-Essay8444 on
Serious question: will this actually spur Canada to finally enact an east-west pipeline? Like we are at the proverbial ‘gun at the head’ moment, where eastern Canada could actually run out fuel, while western Canada sits in a sea of fuel.
And before you all @ me. I’m all for EVs, but EVs having been going to make gas vehicles obsolete for the last 40+years… let’s live in the here and now. Fossils fuel are still going to make up a large part of the energy mix for the foreseeable future. And it’s shocking mismanagement that a top 5 energy producer, is seeing half the country possibly run out of fuel and is dependant on imported fuel from another country (even if it’s Canadian fuel from the US, still a security concern… like right now).
AverageT1000 on
If Canada stays to ration the fuel, y’all better be ready for inflation to skyrocket worse then it is now
zoziw on
>One, if there’s a physical oil shortage in Canada — which a region like Central Canada may be more vulnerable to given a lack of an east-west pipeline — there would be a need to ration, he said.
It is an ongoing embarrassment that this country allows lobby groups and ideologues to prevent the creation of a robust internal energy system. We are sitting on one of the largest oil reserves on the planet and yet, because of their actions, Central Canada could run out of oil and gasoline or face beyond the pale gasoline prices.
Alberta refines its own gasoline from our own oil, we aren’t going to run out. The only reason the rest of Canada can’t benefit from that is because lobby groups spent millions of dollars convincing people that pipelines are evil.
mikefjr1300 on
We refine enough of our own and imported oil for our domestic needs, eastern Canada still needs to import oil from USA mostly for their refineries because our pipelines run south as opposed to east.
IF we had a pipeline east we could be fully self sufficient.
SigmaHouse28 on
No, Canada is self-sufficient in oil, we are net exporters. What we need to do, is build a pipeline to Eastern Canada (Quebec and the Atlantic provinces). They might run out of oil, which will teach them.
BritCanuck05 on
We’re somewhere in the top 5 for oil exports. We shouldn’t have to ratio at all. A massive failure in successive governments to ensure the Canada is self sufficient in times of crisis.
Dantai on
See you at the office
Odd_Cabinet_7734 on
How long does it take to build a refinery? Maybe we should start doing that now? Unless somebody wants to start investigating some other energy source, we should probably figure out how to refine our own oil.
VanCityPhotoNewbie on
I have no choice but to drive to because of my profession but it would a good idea to implement WFH for all those people who do not actually need to be in an office……..
Like imagine how much you would save.
gc_DataNerd on
We should really be building refineries to process our heavy crude oil. The best time was 10 years ago the second best time is now while we are expecting windfalls
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We could start by following guidance issued by the IEA first. Something like encouraging WFH would go a long way.
FFS: had our leaders actually planned for rainy days we could be self sufficient on the energy front. Instead they virtue signalled and literally turned away potential customers who could boost our economy.
Diesel is more probable than gas.
Hey, you know what would be a great idea?
Get rid of the 5 days back to office, so we can immediately reduce domestic consumption.
Wow! What a concept!
It not only takes 0 effort, it’s 100% common sense.
EDIT: Meanwhile in Australia.
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/global-fuel-crisis-australians-urged-to-work-from-home-by-energy-minister-chris-bowen/news-story/bd5affe16c993c9b54ddf80124bdd26b
No, in 1979 we didnt really have an oil industry in the first place
Bangladesh is on 4 day work week to save fuel. Of course that could never happen in Canada. Or reinstating Wfh if possible.
I guess the Chinese EVs couldn’t be arriving at a better time.
The biggest problem for Canada in this probably won’t be actual shortages unless the USA bans exports then the east is pretty fucked.What it could do is drive the cost into the stratosphere.
What actually boggles my mind is the seeming lack of concern in some European countries and Australia .
One thing if it drags much longer is people are going to get a good look at what decarbonization actually looks like
Edit:spelling
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycling_in_Copenhagen#:~:text=With%20the%20energy%20crisis%2C%20which%20hit%20Denmark%20harder%20than%20most%20countries%2C%20and%20the%20growing%20environmental%20movement%20in%20the%201970s%2C%20cycling%20experienced%20a%20renaissance.%20The%20government%20was%20forced%20to%20introduce%20car%2Dfree%20Sundays%20to%20conserve%20oil%20reserves.%20Many%20city%20dwellers%20thought%20it%20was%20the%20best%20day%20of%20the%20week
In the west our gas is made in Edmonton
The in east they buy it from America
Canada produces enough oil for its own domestic needs and still has enough leftover for exports. Canada also has enough land to be storing petroleum reserve that’s been extracted from the ground, at minimum, that would last the country for months if not an entire year.
The result of any price increase is an indirect result of not having enough pipelines to the east and refineries across the country, along with the lack of relevant contingency by authorities to cap prices and export in extraordinary times. Any calls of rationing is simply fear-mongering, or if it really comes down to that, poor governance.
You’re saying we had 47 years to learn the lesson about dependency on fossil fuels and chose instead to subsidize oil and gas and double down on it? Yeah, sounds about right. A country that’s still debating whether to electrify trains in, checks date…2nd quarter of the 21st century
“Rationing wasn’t enacted”
Anyways yeah totally need to wfh tho lol
I’d rather have a 4 day work week to do my part.
If only there was an alternative to oil
Be kinda cool if all the people who could work from home did. Wonder how much gas that’d save? Jesus christ.
The headline is nonsensical
Canada is a massive NET Exporter of Oil.
West of Ontario, 95%+ of our gasoline, diesel, and other refined petrol products are produced and refined HERE. Ontario and Quebec are a mixed bag of importing refined products and self-refining either a) domestic unrefined oil or b) imported unrefined oil. The martimes, IIRC, imports a fair bit of oil from overseas or from the US via ocean tanker (Thanks Irving Family).
Serious question: will this actually spur Canada to finally enact an east-west pipeline? Like we are at the proverbial ‘gun at the head’ moment, where eastern Canada could actually run out fuel, while western Canada sits in a sea of fuel.
And before you all @ me. I’m all for EVs, but EVs having been going to make gas vehicles obsolete for the last 40+years… let’s live in the here and now. Fossils fuel are still going to make up a large part of the energy mix for the foreseeable future. And it’s shocking mismanagement that a top 5 energy producer, is seeing half the country possibly run out of fuel and is dependant on imported fuel from another country (even if it’s Canadian fuel from the US, still a security concern… like right now).
If Canada stays to ration the fuel, y’all better be ready for inflation to skyrocket worse then it is now
>One, if there’s a physical oil shortage in Canada — which a region like Central Canada may be more vulnerable to given a lack of an east-west pipeline — there would be a need to ration, he said.
It is an ongoing embarrassment that this country allows lobby groups and ideologues to prevent the creation of a robust internal energy system. We are sitting on one of the largest oil reserves on the planet and yet, because of their actions, Central Canada could run out of oil and gasoline or face beyond the pale gasoline prices.
Alberta refines its own gasoline from our own oil, we aren’t going to run out. The only reason the rest of Canada can’t benefit from that is because lobby groups spent millions of dollars convincing people that pipelines are evil.
We refine enough of our own and imported oil for our domestic needs, eastern Canada still needs to import oil from USA mostly for their refineries because our pipelines run south as opposed to east.
IF we had a pipeline east we could be fully self sufficient.
No, Canada is self-sufficient in oil, we are net exporters. What we need to do, is build a pipeline to Eastern Canada (Quebec and the Atlantic provinces). They might run out of oil, which will teach them.
We’re somewhere in the top 5 for oil exports. We shouldn’t have to ratio at all. A massive failure in successive governments to ensure the Canada is self sufficient in times of crisis.
See you at the office
How long does it take to build a refinery? Maybe we should start doing that now? Unless somebody wants to start investigating some other energy source, we should probably figure out how to refine our own oil.
I have no choice but to drive to because of my profession but it would a good idea to implement WFH for all those people who do not actually need to be in an office……..
Like imagine how much you would save.
We should really be building refineries to process our heavy crude oil. The best time was 10 years ago the second best time is now while we are expecting windfalls