I used to be in cooperative with a salary above 200k. Yes I was happy not planning to leave. But reality is many cooperative are not that cheap anyway. I paid 3000k for my flat and ended buying as it was cheaper with all tax deduction…
So just to say: Cooperative can be live cheap some are just a way to have nonprofit oriented/ good culture but jot execessibly cheap, which I would go back to…
heliosh on
>just buy a home and move and make the affordable flat available for those in need.
You’ll be the first one who will complain that houses aren’t affordable anymore when he buys a house
Kondikteur on
Ah, the good ol’ “he is rich, but does not engage in actions that other rich people do, so he must be fake and virtue-signaling”, its been a while.
This is only Hypocrisy, if you think all rich people must represent the interest of the owning class.
But personnally I think you just malicously try to create drama about a politician you dont like.
temudschinn on
Cooperatives are private organizations. Why should they be responsible to house people with low income? Isnt that a responsibility of the state?
And: why should people with above average income not be allowed to engage in cooperatives? Would you also say he is obliged to shop at Globus instead of Migros?
DisruptiveHarbinger on
Networking and connections give you access to better deals in life? No shit.
Build more and the need for workarounds will become moot. It’s really not rocket science.
fellainishaircut on
coops are not welfare. it‘s simply a great way to offer housing. the argument shouldn‘t be that people have to leave cooperatives if they make more money, but that more housing should be in cooperatives.
fryxharry on
I would find this offensive if it were some state owned or subsidized apartment. We can absolutely criticize the left wing parties in the city of Zurich for opposing kicking people out of those when they exceed the income limit (in order to make room for people who actually need a cheap apartment because they are poor).
However in this case it’s a housing cooperative, which is just a different model of ownership: Instead of a landlord owning the property and renting out the units, the inhabitants of the units own the building(s) together. It’s up to the policy of the cooperative (which this politician is a member of and therefore gets a say as well) weather they want to put up some restrictions as to income.
I think people are confused because flats in housing cooperatives often are cheaper than renting from a landlord, also some cooperatives receive subsidies in order to provide social housing. But not all apartments in housing cooperatives are subsidized by the state.
Academic-Egg4820 on
Not enough people agreed with you under the original post and now you are trying to validate your ideas in another sub?
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I used to be in cooperative with a salary above 200k. Yes I was happy not planning to leave. But reality is many cooperative are not that cheap anyway. I paid 3000k for my flat and ended buying as it was cheaper with all tax deduction…
So just to say: Cooperative can be live cheap some are just a way to have nonprofit oriented/ good culture but jot execessibly cheap, which I would go back to…
>just buy a home and move and make the affordable flat available for those in need.
You’ll be the first one who will complain that houses aren’t affordable anymore when he buys a house
Ah, the good ol’ “he is rich, but does not engage in actions that other rich people do, so he must be fake and virtue-signaling”, its been a while.
This is only Hypocrisy, if you think all rich people must represent the interest of the owning class.
But personnally I think you just malicously try to create drama about a politician you dont like.
Cooperatives are private organizations. Why should they be responsible to house people with low income? Isnt that a responsibility of the state?
And: why should people with above average income not be allowed to engage in cooperatives? Would you also say he is obliged to shop at Globus instead of Migros?
Networking and connections give you access to better deals in life? No shit.
Build more and the need for workarounds will become moot. It’s really not rocket science.
coops are not welfare. it‘s simply a great way to offer housing. the argument shouldn‘t be that people have to leave cooperatives if they make more money, but that more housing should be in cooperatives.
I would find this offensive if it were some state owned or subsidized apartment. We can absolutely criticize the left wing parties in the city of Zurich for opposing kicking people out of those when they exceed the income limit (in order to make room for people who actually need a cheap apartment because they are poor).
However in this case it’s a housing cooperative, which is just a different model of ownership: Instead of a landlord owning the property and renting out the units, the inhabitants of the units own the building(s) together. It’s up to the policy of the cooperative (which this politician is a member of and therefore gets a say as well) weather they want to put up some restrictions as to income.
I think people are confused because flats in housing cooperatives often are cheaper than renting from a landlord, also some cooperatives receive subsidies in order to provide social housing. But not all apartments in housing cooperatives are subsidized by the state.
Not enough people agreed with you under the original post and now you are trying to validate your ideas in another sub?