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    Anyone know why NSV is openly allowed to use nazi logos and is still allowed to hold far right riots?
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    Anyone know why NSV is openly allowed to use nazi logos and is still allowed to hold far right riots?

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    2. varkenspester on

      Only disgust for NSV here. And I have no doubt they want to reference it. But an arrow is used for many many things and there is no way anyone can PROVE they mean it as a nazi logo. So no, Nazi logos are not allowed but an arrow an sich is not a nazi logo. innosent untill proven counts for everyone.

    3. WildGardening on

      Omdat veel mensen aan de top ruggengraatloze wormen zijn of de ernst niet inzien van groepen met nazi sympathieën

    4. MF-Geuze on

      As one of the candidates for this ‘remigration’, I’m pretty unsympathetic to the aims of the NSV. 

      However, I think that saying those two symbols are the same is a bit of a stretch 

    5. ilo_Va on

      It still has technical deniability, it’s not originally a Nazi symbol so they can deny that it is

    6. BionicBananas on

      Omschrijf hoe je een pijl zoals op de affiche wilt verbieden, zonder andere pijlen illegaal te maken. Zorg dat de omschrijving van de verboden pijl strikt genoeg is dat pijlen in het algemeen ok zijn, maar ook vaag genoeg dat het de verschillen tussen de pijl op de affiche en de pijl op de wikipedia pagina covert.

    7. ThreeCatsInASkinsuit on

      Still trying to figure out why they were allowed to go do nazi salutes in Leuven too, must have been fucking terrifying for people on the other end of their violent and racist “opinion” 

    12. TheAlmightyLloyd on

      Because the government and the police side with them. Just because nobody does the investigation work like other countries do, it’s just put under the rug.

    13. I_Have_CDO on

      Because everything is fine and there’s literally nothing else to worry about. If only they could put some of that energy into fixing the roads.

    14. Ezekiel-18 on

      Because both the Vb and the N-VA have links and roots with ancient nazi collaborators, and because Flanders was very symmpathetic with the German invaders during WW2.

    15. SergeiYeseiya on

      Because it’s really not that easy to prove a simple arrow is a Nazi symbol

    16. Better_than_GOT_S8 on

      Ok. Let’s say we do forbid this. How will you describe the forbidden imagery in a way that it’s not forbidding upward arrows.

      I mean the nsv are idiots, but you need to be able to make it legally tight before you can forbid something with a junction.

    17. Anargnome-Communist on

      Because fascists get a surprising amount of leeway from the people who are responsible for allowing NSV to organize and march.

      Fascists are also masters at dog-whistling and plausible deniability. The reference to the Tyr rune is obvious (as are NSV’s connections to neo-Nazis which creates a larger context in which this symbol has to be seen) but they’ll be able to dishonestly claim it’s “just an arrow” and act like you’re exaggerating and making a big deal out of nothing.

      Also, I don’t want to say these things are not worth pointing out, but it’s probably more worrying that people got away with Nazi salutes and violence against people of color during the NSV march.

    18. BE_Lion on

      Actually,

      The riots are usually from the left.

      The Antifa brigade, protesting against “nazi”. (Which is pretty much everybody who is not a neo-communist.)

      Antifa are actually using fascist methods themselves. But they feel justified, because they think they are “on the right side of history”

      The people using violence or destruction, rarely are…

    19. Mr-Doubtful on

      The law is actually tricky on this afaik.

      There are no direct laws against specific symbols. Instead showing symbols with the intent of **fostering** hate or violence in a discriminatory context can be prosecuted under the anti racisme wet.

      They tried to make a new law last year actually, but hasn’t been passed yet and honestly was probably an overreach because it tried to bypass the judiciary.

      The ‘fostering’ aspect is especially tricky, because I think you’ll also have to prove that the symbol is recognizable enough, in the case of swastika’s this is probably an easy prosecution but this obscure arrow thing, maybe not?

      Lastly, there’s a considerable attitude among centre/right/left parties that heavily prosecuting the political extremes (on both sides tbf, we just have more extreme right assholes in our country than extreme left) isn’t the ‘correct’ strategy and would do more harm than good.

      But mainly, it’s actually difficult to effectively prosecute this stuff with current laws afaik.

    20. U-47 on

      While the right often use Viking runes I don’t think viking runes per so are the problem. I have viking runes on a lot of shit and I am certainly not right wing. They are appropriated by the right and we shouldn’t let them.

    21. aris_ada on

      Because being Nazi isn’t forbidden anymore, it’s just “controversial” and “a sane opposition against the tyranny of the radical left”. Look in France how the media handle news when a nazi kills someone vs when a leftie sprays paint on a wall.

    22. General_Book_8905 on

      T is ook ne pijl …
      Als we alle pijlen gaan verbannen, tzal schoon worden.
      Ik had er nog niet van gehoord, en ik ga ze ook geen aandacht geven.

      We moeten ook dringend de onderliggende gedachten aanpakken en niet de symptomen.
      Waarom doen deze mensen wat ze doen? Wat hopen ze te bereiken? Wat drijft hun?

      Als we gewoon gaan zeggen dat ze dit niet mogen doen en dat hun mening illegaal is maak je het alleen maar erger.

    24. Luize0 on

      Because it’s a fucking arrow. Halleluja.

      Gezond verstand is hier echt niet aanwezig. Moeilijk doen over een hakenkruis OKE, de rest. Seriously?

    26. Crashtestdummy87 on

      djeezes, moet ge nu al nadenken over hoe ge een pijl tekent zodat ge geen nazi genoemd word? wat een gezever