i dont think thats a good thing long term for italian culture. but we’ll see.
cobbelstoneminer on
Thanks, but no thanks.
Visual_Title9363 on
I look forward to a future headline, ‘Ukraine population stops shrinking after war, thanks to Russian migration and occupation.’
🙃
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Anyadpitschaja on
“Thanks”
Economy_Ad3034 on
The amount of gaslighting in that headline
Insane_Dedalo_7891 on
Italian young expat here. Sadly, many times we are forced to leave the country for both career opportunity and survivability. As a PhD researcher the “offer” I received in Italy was 500 euros per month paid every 6 months ( so basically 3k every 6 months) to work more than 8h a day, including Saturdays and sundays for 4 years. Considering that the average rent in the city the offer was from is around 800 euros per month it’s just impossible. The problem is that Italian people keep electing the same politicians that slowly destroyed the country since 1994 and we all pay the consequences for that.
minobi on
From shrinking to erasing. I would prefer the first option.
Tongomannen on
Dystopian
lrraya on
It was nice knowing you, Italians
poorat8686 on
The population within Italy has increased yes, the Italian population is still decreasing. I’m sure overcrowding and depressed wages are great for birth rates. At least old people get to keep their pensions for 10 years though, it’s worth 100* years of civil unrest and terror for their descendants.
itisbarbedwire on
I don’t understand why population decline is inherently a problem. Rather than trying to boost fertility, society should be developing systems and industry that will enable the managing of a lopsided distribution. Trying to fix it with immigration is ridiculous. Make the main industry caring for the older generations – until the birth/death ratio equalises.
EnPassantLover on
“Thanks to migration” LMAO.
0Tezorus0 on
Don’t tell it to their far right government.
SleKel on
Second and third generation tend to converge to the fertility rate of the country they live in instead of that of their parents’ so even immigration is not a fix for a fault system
Svensk_Bulle on
*50 years later*
What?! Ethnic Italians are now on the verge of becoming a minority in their own country?
Known_Palpitation805 on
In other news, Italy is no longer Italian.
IlIIllIlllIIIllI on
Why not improve the economy allowing for people to have more kids and rely on automation in the meantime?
Seems like commonsense…
Doggolone1 on
“Thanks to migration”
It’s so fucking over bro
DandelionSchroeder on
I don’t understand the hysteria on shrinking populations. Immigration doesn’t solve the problem, it just extends it. Iceland has a much thiner and sparse population than Sicily, but are still an industrial and stable economy. Even if Italy had half it’s current population, it could still be a functioning economy with millions of inhabitants, if was well governed that is. It is normal and not unusual that populations shrink. Why always growth? Cities in Italy are overcrowded and the countryside and seas full of waste — the will for growth and immigration is the will of industrialists. The only issue is, that Italy needs to reform their social system… but unusual times require unusual innovations. That’s what politicians and academics are for, to find solutions, and not extending the problems.
EntertainmentDeep73 on
At what cost though? Unsafe to walk around at night, trash everywhere, gang fights…
Big-Property-6833 on
And that’s how your country ends up looking like a 3rd world shit-hole.
Free_Jump_6138 on
The migration means that the population increase isn’t and will not be Italians, I mean they may be Italian residents in future but their DNA will not be Italian so not Italian.
One-Bird-8961 on
Going to be another country unrecognizable (so to speak), due to a flood of immigration, legal or illegal.
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And there was welfare.
Poor lads. Mogadishu on the mediterrianean.
What constitutes Italy as Italy?
Not good.
i dont think thats a good thing long term for italian culture. but we’ll see.
Thanks, but no thanks.
I look forward to a future headline, ‘Ukraine population stops shrinking after war, thanks to Russian migration and occupation.’
🙃
[removed]
“Thanks”
The amount of gaslighting in that headline
Italian young expat here. Sadly, many times we are forced to leave the country for both career opportunity and survivability. As a PhD researcher the “offer” I received in Italy was 500 euros per month paid every 6 months ( so basically 3k every 6 months) to work more than 8h a day, including Saturdays and sundays for 4 years. Considering that the average rent in the city the offer was from is around 800 euros per month it’s just impossible. The problem is that Italian people keep electing the same politicians that slowly destroyed the country since 1994 and we all pay the consequences for that.
From shrinking to erasing. I would prefer the first option.
Dystopian
It was nice knowing you, Italians
The population within Italy has increased yes, the Italian population is still decreasing. I’m sure overcrowding and depressed wages are great for birth rates. At least old people get to keep their pensions for 10 years though, it’s worth 100* years of civil unrest and terror for their descendants.
I don’t understand why population decline is inherently a problem. Rather than trying to boost fertility, society should be developing systems and industry that will enable the managing of a lopsided distribution. Trying to fix it with immigration is ridiculous. Make the main industry caring for the older generations – until the birth/death ratio equalises.
“Thanks to migration” LMAO.
Don’t tell it to their far right government.
Second and third generation tend to converge to the fertility rate of the country they live in instead of that of their parents’ so even immigration is not a fix for a fault system
*50 years later*
What?! Ethnic Italians are now on the verge of becoming a minority in their own country?
In other news, Italy is no longer Italian.
Why not improve the economy allowing for people to have more kids and rely on automation in the meantime?
Seems like commonsense…
“Thanks to migration”
It’s so fucking over bro
I don’t understand the hysteria on shrinking populations. Immigration doesn’t solve the problem, it just extends it. Iceland has a much thiner and sparse population than Sicily, but are still an industrial and stable economy. Even if Italy had half it’s current population, it could still be a functioning economy with millions of inhabitants, if was well governed that is. It is normal and not unusual that populations shrink. Why always growth? Cities in Italy are overcrowded and the countryside and seas full of waste — the will for growth and immigration is the will of industrialists. The only issue is, that Italy needs to reform their social system… but unusual times require unusual innovations. That’s what politicians and academics are for, to find solutions, and not extending the problems.
At what cost though? Unsafe to walk around at night, trash everywhere, gang fights…
And that’s how your country ends up looking like a 3rd world shit-hole.
The migration means that the population increase isn’t and will not be Italians, I mean they may be Italian residents in future but their DNA will not be Italian so not Italian.
Going to be another country unrecognizable (so to speak), due to a flood of immigration, legal or illegal.