“he didn’t do it, and even if he did – he did it not enough if people like you are still alive” is what I’ve been told by a stalini lover taxi driver
Swimming_Degree_461 on
Nothing to glorify.
[deleted] on
I have very very rarely seen a new generation glorifying Stalin. It is mostly old generation. You need not to forget that they were raised in the time when “Marxism-Leninism” was officially taught in schools and universities as “science”, and basically every other ideology or philosophy was banned. For decades they have been taught something and internalized it as truth, you can not expect them to just change minds, it is a lost cause. Also, the 1956 protests kind of created an image of Stalin as a Georgian symbol. But in general, glorification of Stalin is not an issue in Georgia.
Used_Chicken9200 on
I don’t think anyone that’s even a decent person thinks of stalin or even likes him.Most Georgians that do like him are brainwashed idiots and i think they just like him he’s just Georgian. Nobody, literally no one that’s normal likes him.
dvrkemperqr on
Industrialization
Specific_Hyena_6408 on
People glorify him because he was Georgian himself and held so much power, so many see Stalin as an opportunity to brag, basically like “did you know this guy wh controlled the territory of 15 modern countries and rivaled The west was from here?”
It does seem really stupid to glorify him because just ideas are in complete opposition of independent Georgia
Busy_Ad6589 on
Well, forgive me Georgians gtkhovt, but he is just the most famous Georgian person in the relatively nearby past. I think that’s because some people glorify him and try to make excuses for his crimes. It is like with many russians right now. They glorify putin, cuz we don’t have any other popular figures right now. And somehow for many people the popularity is more important than the person itself. Of course, lots of people know about Medea, Kolhida, Zaza Pachulia, Topuria and Khvicha. But stalin is a more well-known person still. The same as nowadays everyone talks about putin, many people are scared of him, so it makes him kinda popular among not only russians, but some other nations too sadly. No matter that he is a dictator and maniac. So I don’t say that russians and georgians are the same about this topic, cuz stalin was just a single person and putin commands the russian army to invade other countries. Georgians do not invade anyone. But stalin and putin imho somewhere nearby by their crimes
magical-cat-here on
Real lustration has been cancelled actually and never happened.
Soviet crimes against humanity never have been investigated properly.
Soviet totalitarian ideology got only some negative assesment in some EU parliament resolutions.
There was no “Nuremberg for Communism” or “Nuremberg for Moskovitism”.
As soon as GD come to power, they actually cancelled Freedom Act to all possible extent and cancelled lustration of former KGB agents and informants, because the GD leadership and founder are KGB/FSB operatives themeselves.
But even with all this, I can guess the real community of “stalin worshippers” is small group of cringe miserable people who not only unhappy in their lives but want make unhappy millions of people around them.
tropical_sunrise on
indoctrinated, scared people and their kids.
GreaseBlaster on
Only some old people and hardcore conservatives glorify him, I don’t like either of them but even Lenin had more empathy towards georgians than Stalin, Lenin even referred to Stalin as ”russian bully” due to the way he was handling business in georgia
ChromedGonk on
No sane Georgian I know glorify Stalin, only pro Russian morons
megrelian on
because people are idiots
AddlePatedBadger on
His moustache. Never has a dictator had a more glorious moustache. Hitler’s was a joke. Franco’s not much better. Mao Zedung, Pol Pot, and all of the Kims were completely tache-less. Only Saddam Hussein comes close.
NOMERVARIUM on
I know I’ll be downvoted, but here are a few positive aspects that come to mind
1. The 1944 deportatation of 100000 muslims from Samtskhe-Javakheti, helping avoid yet another potential conflict like in Abkhazia
2. The industrialization of Georgia, which wouldn’t happen if Georgia was out of the soviet union
3. Increased the population of Georgians in Abkhazia significantly, making Georgians the dominant group
4. Under Stalin, many public schools and university campuses were opened, significantly increasing the literacy rate and the education perspectives for the general public
5. Massive infrastructure projects like dams, roads, tunnels, metro stations, neighbourhoods and the Tbilisi airport were built
There are negative aspects as well that Stalin did, but honestly, taking the geography into account, being part of the USSR was the best Georgia could get at that time. Many people like to pretend that Georgia was the same type of country as the baltic states and that Georgia could do all of the good that USSR did and even more independently, but that’s just not the case. Georgia’s geographical position and the mentality of the society wouldn’t allow for such developments to happen.
Savvle on
I can’t believe a Georgian national with such power chose to screw over his country instead of setting it up a bright future and then there are Georgians still praising him for whatever he did for USSR.
Ok-Effective-9261 on
because its easier and more convenient to let others think for you. reality is meaningless when you give up on critical thinking.
backusnaurform on
Stalin is the biggest traitor in Georgia’s history, I cannot fathom how some comments make him out to be a true patriot, when in reality he was the one responsible for and who
• claimed that Georgians were oppressing local minorities and had a chauvinistic nature
• the occupation by the red army (in contrast to Lenin)
• did not want to grant constituent republic statuses, instead only autonomous regions within the soviet republic (in contrast to Lenin)
• gave Georgia 3 autonomous regions
• ceded internationally recognized Georgian territory to Turkey (contrary to the Soviet military which did not want to give away parts of Ardahan due to strategic reasons) under the Kars treaty, Azerbaijan and Armenia
• cleansed the entire Georgian intelligentsia and upper social class
RaIsei_Enjoyer on
No ones gloryfing him aside from a now nearly extinct group of rose tinted geriatrics from Gori
G56G on
He achieved new levels of evil and was Georgian. Is not that impressive?!
Fun_Situation_7973 on
Stalin literally banned Georgian language from Georgia’s schools, he hated Georgia. I don’t understand either
BadexAncientGenetics on
I think the reason why some Georgians glorify Stalin so much is because of… pride, and “he is ours”, and it is normal behavior for a small different and fighting nation. But when Russians glorify him so much, that’s a different story. In Russia it is more “Chieftain”, “Supreme Leader”… I mean he killed millions, millions… but Russians still glorify him absolutely. And I think that is number one sign that nation needs help.
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“he didn’t do it, and even if he did – he did it not enough if people like you are still alive” is what I’ve been told by a stalini lover taxi driver
Nothing to glorify.
I have very very rarely seen a new generation glorifying Stalin. It is mostly old generation. You need not to forget that they were raised in the time when “Marxism-Leninism” was officially taught in schools and universities as “science”, and basically every other ideology or philosophy was banned. For decades they have been taught something and internalized it as truth, you can not expect them to just change minds, it is a lost cause. Also, the 1956 protests kind of created an image of Stalin as a Georgian symbol. But in general, glorification of Stalin is not an issue in Georgia.
I don’t think anyone that’s even a decent person thinks of stalin or even likes him.Most Georgians that do like him are brainwashed idiots and i think they just like him he’s just Georgian. Nobody, literally no one that’s normal likes him.
Industrialization
People glorify him because he was Georgian himself and held so much power, so many see Stalin as an opportunity to brag, basically like “did you know this guy wh controlled the territory of 15 modern countries and rivaled The west was from here?”
It does seem really stupid to glorify him because just ideas are in complete opposition of independent Georgia
Well, forgive me Georgians gtkhovt, but he is just the most famous Georgian person in the relatively nearby past. I think that’s because some people glorify him and try to make excuses for his crimes. It is like with many russians right now. They glorify putin, cuz we don’t have any other popular figures right now. And somehow for many people the popularity is more important than the person itself. Of course, lots of people know about Medea, Kolhida, Zaza Pachulia, Topuria and Khvicha. But stalin is a more well-known person still. The same as nowadays everyone talks about putin, many people are scared of him, so it makes him kinda popular among not only russians, but some other nations too sadly. No matter that he is a dictator and maniac. So I don’t say that russians and georgians are the same about this topic, cuz stalin was just a single person and putin commands the russian army to invade other countries. Georgians do not invade anyone. But stalin and putin imho somewhere nearby by their crimes
Real lustration has been cancelled actually and never happened.
Soviet crimes against humanity never have been investigated properly.
Soviet totalitarian ideology got only some negative assesment in some EU parliament resolutions.
There was no “Nuremberg for Communism” or “Nuremberg for Moskovitism”.
As soon as GD come to power, they actually cancelled Freedom Act to all possible extent and cancelled lustration of former KGB agents and informants, because the GD leadership and founder are KGB/FSB operatives themeselves.
But even with all this, I can guess the real community of “stalin worshippers” is small group of cringe miserable people who not only unhappy in their lives but want make unhappy millions of people around them.
indoctrinated, scared people and their kids.
Only some old people and hardcore conservatives glorify him, I don’t like either of them but even Lenin had more empathy towards georgians than Stalin, Lenin even referred to Stalin as ”russian bully” due to the way he was handling business in georgia
No sane Georgian I know glorify Stalin, only pro Russian morons
because people are idiots
His moustache. Never has a dictator had a more glorious moustache. Hitler’s was a joke. Franco’s not much better. Mao Zedung, Pol Pot, and all of the Kims were completely tache-less. Only Saddam Hussein comes close.
I know I’ll be downvoted, but here are a few positive aspects that come to mind
1. The 1944 deportatation of 100000 muslims from Samtskhe-Javakheti, helping avoid yet another potential conflict like in Abkhazia
2. The industrialization of Georgia, which wouldn’t happen if Georgia was out of the soviet union
3. Increased the population of Georgians in Abkhazia significantly, making Georgians the dominant group
4. Under Stalin, many public schools and university campuses were opened, significantly increasing the literacy rate and the education perspectives for the general public
5. Massive infrastructure projects like dams, roads, tunnels, metro stations, neighbourhoods and the Tbilisi airport were built
There are negative aspects as well that Stalin did, but honestly, taking the geography into account, being part of the USSR was the best Georgia could get at that time. Many people like to pretend that Georgia was the same type of country as the baltic states and that Georgia could do all of the good that USSR did and even more independently, but that’s just not the case. Georgia’s geographical position and the mentality of the society wouldn’t allow for such developments to happen.
I can’t believe a Georgian national with such power chose to screw over his country instead of setting it up a bright future and then there are Georgians still praising him for whatever he did for USSR.
because its easier and more convenient to let others think for you. reality is meaningless when you give up on critical thinking.
Stalin is the biggest traitor in Georgia’s history, I cannot fathom how some comments make him out to be a true patriot, when in reality he was the one responsible for and who
• claimed that Georgians were oppressing local minorities and had a chauvinistic nature
• the occupation by the red army (in contrast to Lenin)
• did not want to grant constituent republic statuses, instead only autonomous regions within the soviet republic (in contrast to Lenin)
• gave Georgia 3 autonomous regions
• ceded internationally recognized Georgian territory to Turkey (contrary to the Soviet military which did not want to give away parts of Ardahan due to strategic reasons) under the Kars treaty, Azerbaijan and Armenia
• cleansed the entire Georgian intelligentsia and upper social class
No ones gloryfing him aside from a now nearly extinct group of rose tinted geriatrics from Gori
He achieved new levels of evil and was Georgian. Is not that impressive?!
Stalin literally banned Georgian language from Georgia’s schools, he hated Georgia. I don’t understand either
I think the reason why some Georgians glorify Stalin so much is because of… pride, and “he is ours”, and it is normal behavior for a small different and fighting nation. But when Russians glorify him so much, that’s a different story. In Russia it is more “Chieftain”, “Supreme Leader”… I mean he killed millions, millions… but Russians still glorify him absolutely. And I think that is number one sign that nation needs help.