Attendance for high schoolers, elementary students is plummeting in Ontario: data

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-high-school-attendance-9.7164970

44 Comments

  1. 40% of high schoolers attending school regularly. Where are the kids if they aren’t in school? At home doomscrolling and playing Fortnite? This is a serious question. 

  2. Silly-Ad-6341 on

    This is how society crumbles, kids don’t get educated, won’t have critical thinking skills, listen to social media and AI all day

  3. Well I know my son’s school bus was cancelled more this winter than I can recall in ages. Of course attendance will be down if you cancel buses every time weather hints at being even a touch dicey.

    I understand the reasoning etc but maybe offer online mandatory zoom in or something on snow days.

  4. Proof-Ad-8968 on

    Schools and CAS have no power or authority to make students attend school. So they learn and parents learn they don’t have to go. It gets worse in high school because the government actually makes it worse by demanding high graduation rates. So it’s better for boards to keep non attenders on roll and pass them with 50s than to fail them. Students learn they don’t need to attend to pass.

  5. Lmao, tying grades to attendance isn’t going to make them attend more. They’re already losing grade average by not being there, taking away more grade average isn’t going to make a difference

  6. BabaofTheShimmer on

    Why don’t they prepare the students for university instead? You don’t get any marks for showing up at university (unless showing up implies you’re handing in work to be graded).

    Grade 11 and Grade 12 students should be marked on their work alone. Whether they learn the material in class or on their own is their choice. Why force them to sit in a desk all day if they can learn the material in an hour?

    In class tests and exams plus assignments. Oh wait! Is that too much marking for teachers?

  7. I remember how some of my classes were surprisingly easy or even pointless, especially those with inflated grades. I maintained a very high average while skipping a couple of classes here and there. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case for some of these students.

  8. Necessary_Owl9724 on

    Parents need to start leaning in on their parenting… consistently holding their kids to a standard. It’s not just high schoolers and students over 12yrs old. Part of the problem is some parents treat schools and teachers as a co-parent. They don’t potty train children before sending them to school bc the school staff will do it. They send shoes with laces with kids they haven’t taught how to tie them because they think we should teach the kids to do it. They don’t fill out field trip forms, blow off important meetings, and do nothing when their kid continually hits teachers. They don’t follow through with consequences. People need to stop expecting the overburdened educational system to raise their kids for them. I know all this because I live it, day to day. The change in young children since I began is disheartening. Granted, I work in a middle of the road school, but we can’t love them better. Grown ups need to step up and do the work. Period.

  9. Starts at the top. Premier Doug Ford has the worst attendance record in the legislature and the highest number of vacation days of any premier in Ontario’s history

    The guy literally does not work

    And prioritizes alcohol and gambling

  10. how many days does 90% attendance equal out to? because i know quite a few kids in sports who miss days of school because they have a hockey tournament

  11. Livid-Switch4040 on

    And? It’s 2026, and post COVID. Employees can work from home, and so can students now too, All of the study materials, including video lessons, and every single assignment is posted online. They’re also handed in online regardless of physical attendance or not. Other than the social aspects (which is why physical schools are still needed) students don’t need to be “in class” like they used to be.

  12. BacklineUnlimited on

    Is it good or bad that the government is trying to have students attend class? Is it good or bad that our tax dollars are being spent on students not showing up? Is it good or bad that teachers should be teaching a full class that they’re paid to teach?

    If students aren’t showing up, would that mean more teacher layoffs and school closures? Do we want students have the education they need for higher schooling or jobs?

    If a student doesn’t want to show up to class, they are more likely to fail. Is that the school’s fault? Would more or less funding help that? If they have an absence or sick or otherwise, they should be provided with the work to do or provide a doctor’s note like any job. Would this not prepare them for the real world? What if an employee constantly fails to show up for their work?

  13. toilet_for_shrek on

    >The data, obtained by CBC News from Ontario’s Ministry of Education, shows that just 40 per cent of high school students regularly attended school in the 2024-25 school year. 

    Excuse me, **what?!**

    Less than half of kids regularly attend school? Is only 40% passing as well? 

  14. They are skipping school to work to help feed the family. They will have at least 1 year of experience their peers won’t and that means survival.

  15. JohnAMcdonald on

    The biggest problem is not failing out kids because “science” has proved that it’s good for kids to never fail and “science” has proved that if they fail they have a disability so we need to give the school more money since it’s societies fault for not supporting them.

    There’s no such thing as the schools failing the students or the parents failing the kids or the kids failing themselves. We have a zero accountability system where grades are just an arbitrary product of broader societal forces outside of societal control so everybody needs to be passed. This is so much better than the old system where a few kids would fail and they would have to get a GED or adult grad in their 20s. We have achieved diversity, equity, and inclusion and we have achieved maximal progress.

    Sure we have kids able to do less stuff than kids who graduated 20 years ago but the important thing is that we started calling more of them mentally and learning impaired so we’re actually supporting them. We’re pushing them all through graduation and that means they’re succeeding.

  16. irreversible2002 on

    i dont blame them tbh. i worked my ass off all the way through school, did everything right and got a uni degree. i still make shit all money and can’t find employment anywhere, while this dumbass gov puts all their funding into spas and airports

  17. Who knew spending years intentionally destroying public education by under funding it would cause kids to be disenfranchised from going.

    Let’s think of a solution!

    What? Increase public education budgets, higher more teachers and repair crumbling schools as well as adopt more contemporary and improved education standards? NO! What? NO! Make attendance count more! Also blame the parents and the feds!

  18. Read the article y’all, it’s 40% missing the schools standard. Which is 90% attendance.

  19. SnowyOranges on

    I was a highschool student last year and I don’t think I was attending “regularly” (>90% attendance) so maybe I can provide some insight.

    Most of those skips were from the pointless classes we had to take.

    And I say “pointless classes” not in that the material is pointless (I mean sometimes it was depending on what program we were going into), but more that showing up to watch a teacher (who would obviously rather be doing anything else) just read from the slides without actually going through any practice problems is pointless. Not even a robot can learn like that, let alone kids who already have decreasing attention spans.

    I didn’t miss a single physics math or chemistry class in all my 4 years, but you bet I didn’t go to even a quarter of my English lectures when all I needed to do was hand in my essays on time and study for the final

    Some courses just don’t need to be synchronous. It’d probably have been better for the ministry to realize that before students did.

  20. anarchyreigns on

    Are these the children of parents who let them be entertained by iPads during their key developmental years?

  21. SunriseInLot42 on

    “ It’s a steep drop in comparison to attendance before the COVID-19 pandemic, which stood at nearly 60 per cent for high schoolers in 2018-19. At the elementary school level, just over half — 55.5 per cent — of Grade 1-8 students met the attendance standard. Before COVID-19, attendance was at nearly 70 per cent.”

    Another Covid lockdown success story! 

    People who supported Covid lockdowns and school closures for kids should be utterly ashamed of themselves. It’s a complete disgrace how much damage was done, to kids who (along with the vast majority of their adult teachers) were at a minuscule risk, all for an exceedingly dubious and alleged theoretical “benefit”. What an utterly forseeable and obvious disaster.  

  22. A lot of these high school students can’t find jobs, therefore they (for the most part) have no money to spend. So, they spend most of their time at home anyway and that’s become their new normal. Given their online access to the world from home, it makes total sense that they’d just stay home as much as possible.

  23. Old_news123456 on

    My kid begs me not to send him if he knows there’s a sub. 

    There’s no point sending him. 

    His class acts up, making him anxious and the environment impossible to learn in. The sub ignores the IEP so my kid does poorly and comes home in a state of turbulent emotions because the class was too loud and chaotic. He doesn’t complete any in class assignments but is well behaved so the sub typically ignores him. 

    So I let him stay home. We work on his work from home and he does much better. I send what’s completed to the teacher. He actually completes the assignment!! 

    I’m one of a few parents the teacher will give a heads up to if possible. There are a few kids who skip school if there’s a sub. The general consensus is that they aren’t learning anything when there is a Sub.  There’s a kid in the class that typically causes evacuations when triggered so there’s a lot going on . Subs usually just hold down the fort. Not much teaching going on 

  24. Working-Sandwich6372 on

    The response to COVID and the persistence of its policies have not just permitted absenteeism, it has promoted it.

    I’ve been a teacher for 19 years; over that time there has been a radical shift in overt and implies policy with regards to student-system interactions. In the past, there was equal responsibility on the part of the student and the system: the student’s responsibilities included regular attendance, appropriate behaviour while at school, and reasonable acdemic effort in- and out-of- class; the system’s responsibilities included providing a reasonably safe place, teaching the subjects students needed and wanted in accessable ways, and providing extra support when it was needed.

    In an effort to help students who were struggling to be successful in the system as it was policies were modified or abandoned entirely. Examples of these include the much-publicised “no zeros” policies, the banning of penalties for late work, and the requirement to offer multiple opportunities to demonstrate understanding. All of these policies have reasonable and even laudable aims, but to be effective, they need(ed) to be selectively applied.

    In virtually all systems, the people participating can be grouped into one of three categories: successful/compliant regardless of rules and policies, and their enforcement; varyingly successful/compliant based on rules and policies, and their enforcement; and not successful/compliant regardless of rules and polices, and their enforcement.

    IMO the Education System today is doing a massive disservice to the middle group in an earnest effort to help the last group. For many people, school is not an enjoyable experience, in the same way that for many, work is not enjoyable – there is an understandable desire to not attend. This requires a system of enticements and clear, appropriate consequences to elicit desired behaviours (i.e. an acceptable level of effort and attendance). These enticements and consequences no longer exist in Public Education.

    Responsibility for student attendance and success now disproportionately lies with teaching staff. Students with 30+ absences in a 90-class semester are not removed; students who refuse to make short presentations in front of the class are accomodated with lunch-time 1-on-1 presentations; students who blatantly cheat face no consequences other than having to re-do the assignment; and so on. When a student is struggling, the first question asked by many (most?) administrators and student services is not “what has the student done?”, but rather “what have you (the teacher) done to accommodate this student?”.

    When students and families see that the responsibility for their (children’s) success is belongs largely to the system (i.e. teachers) and not the children themselves, most of the incentive for them to work hard is removed. Now failing or struggling students’ first source of blame is not the mirror (where it should be) but the system, which they feel, is responsible for their failure. And we are supporting this perspective with policy and deed.

    Something needs to change drastically and quickly for us to help kids in Public Education.

  25. As a teacher its not surprising and I am glad this is getting attention.

    Kids cannot fail in elementary, at all. There are also 0 repercussions for anything besides a stern talking to. I mean for things even like physical assault. This attitude is moving up to highschool as kids expect grades and we have constant reports of grade inflation.

    As someone who came to education after working elsewhere, I was astounded at how this even is afloat. The answer is out in the open. You cannot incentivise other students to care, if they are surrounded by individuals that do not care, are unable to meet standards and a system that allows that to happen in the first place. BOTH student and teacher.

    If you want to change the system you need to look at what is rewarded. Good jobs for bare minimums as yes, surprising to most, you frequently can get LESS than the expected minimum of just showing up. (Chairs, desks thrown, property damage, other students hurt)

  26. LeatherJacketMan69 on

    Talk about how they make the kids pay for their lunches, or even the school bus, making them pay for everything now

  27. Overall-Register9758 on

    Who could have foreseen that implementing policies that fuck over regular people in favor of the wealthy would have consequences?

  28. SludgeFilter on

    The economy of the system doesn’t support this imaginary lifestyle.  It’s not the fault of the ppl it’s a problem of the system 

  29. I am a parent of a good student and a bad student. Neither like going to school for similar reasons; teacher absences, Youtube and AI lessons, and all assignments and notes are posted online anyways. They only like going to see their friends, which they can do anytime online. It’s a different time, things are moving forward and school isn’t keeping up.

  30. It’s honestly insane that 40%of kids these days attend school regularly???? I’m 27 and 10 years ago everyone I knew came to school fairly regularly (except for the drug dealers and teen moms for valid reasons)

  31. Keepontyping on

    I can’t wait for the social media ban, not because I like government stepping in, but because parents deserve a massive fucking wake up call from over a decade of bullshit excuses for poor parenting. They might need to up their own anxiety meds after raising babies masquerading as young adults when they are forced to remove them from online and cell phones. The good teachers tried to warn you but you were too busy snap chatting.

  32. GallopingFree on

    It’s not just Ontario. I teach in BC and it’s not uncommon for me to have 60% of a class present on any given day, especially at the junior high school level. My seniors are usually more diligent about being in class. Students miss for any/all reasons since the pandemic.

  33. MathematicianHuge327 on

    My kid comes home all the time bc they always get study halls due to teachers being absent for their classes (whether it’s for coaching sports or other school related activities or personal) and they don’t use supplies much anymore. Happens several times a week

  34. wrongdaytoquitdrugs on

    They need a pickle school. A place where you go if you are disruptive or just don’t want to go. Skip all you want, smoke in the can. Fight, whatever. Getting sent to pickle school should be a wake up call. You can work your way out of pickle school, but with all the other pickles there, it would be difficult. Action, consequences good thing to learn early.

    Kinda like pre jail. Getting you ready for what it’s like to live with and deal with people just like yourself. If that doesn’t turn you around, nothing will.

    But what do I know. The current system is awesome, don’t change anything… carry on.