Maybe before he goes off about the alleged values the Liberal party used to hold, he should look at the behaviour of the governments he was quite happily a part of.
jello_sweaters on
Carney’s Liberals are governing VERY much like the Chrétien government in which Mr. Axworthy was proud to serve, but without the benefit of the rules-based order that was bedrock to everything Lloyd touched in that role.
…but I guess admitting that wouldn’t get Lloyd bookings for op-eds and talking-head appearances.
annonymous_bosch on
Hope more centre left Liberals will speak up about this and maybe even consider joining the NDP. It’s clear that Carney has been getting a steady stream of Conservative defections because he’s a better Con PM than PP could hope to be. At the same time, I’d be surprised if that doesn’t rub a few of the more progressive Liberals the wrong way. Hope to see more of these criticisms now that the ice has been broken.
Party-Yoghurt-8462 on
As long as Carney stays relatively faithful to Trudeau’s left-wing ideals and identity politics (childcare, sufficient attention paid to LGBTQ issues, indigenous reconciliation), I don’t think most far-left Liberals are going to care about how he deals with the rest, as long as it’s preserving them from a Poilievre-led government.
Buff1965 on
Axworthy did Canada proud in the time and circumstances he was governing in. And there’s nothing wrong g with having dissenting voices now.
That said, I think Carney’s Liberals are governing as small “c” conservatives because that’s what Canadians voted for. The Trudeau Liberals had lost count of employees, trees planted, students, TFWs, dollars… and we need a correction.
SerentityM3ow on
They won’t advertise gutting the public service and social safety nets I’m favour of a bigger military. Pretty sure we are also on our way towards fascism
farmerderek-218 on
My, my has Loyd lost it? Where is the PBO? Recall it was first established to provide independent scrutiny of the federal govt by Harper! Seems carney doesn’t believe in transparency. How about the discretionary wasteful spending and record debt? When in conservative history have we had deficits so large? Sure we had huge deficits for example during the Mulroney years but they were the result of PET’s mismanagement of Canada and the aftermath of that. They were a necessity unlike the massive spending planned by carney.
As for those HST removals from new home builds. They builders are the ones that are going to profit from that. Market prices determine house prices, not govt intervention.
While Harper did cozy up to china, that was before china showed its true colors. The whole world was clamoring for access to the chinese market. Only to find out that allthey wanted was raw materials.
I am not seeing it.
Puzzled49 on
It sounds like some commenters on this post are viewing it as a criticism rather than as a a compliment on Carney’s policies. To me, Carney appears to be a Liberal in the Jean Chretien tradition, certainly a more conservative type of Liberal than J. Trudeau. One might even say that he is a classical Liberal. For those who find classical Liberalism abhorrent, Carney is, indeed, a reversion to an earlier Liberal tradition. However, for those who have some admiration for classical liberalism, his positions are much more palatable than Trudeau’s.
Chacun a son gout.
KingRabbit_ on
Lloyd Axworty is the board chairman for the World Refugee & Migration Council and his main beef with Carney is that this Prime Minister would dare impose some kind of minimum standards on whom is allowed to migrate here or claim asylum status.
Axworthy’s group opposes the Safe Third Country agreement and believes it is incumbent upon developed nations like Canada to accept an unlimited number of migrants, particularly as the climate changes.
These blissful happy land notions have become deeply unpopular amongst the Canadian people, but Axworthy, being the relic of the 1990s that he is, has no clue about any of that.
As for Carney being a conservative? When you’re as far left as Lloyd Axworthy is, everybody looks like a right winger.
banjosuicide on
I think the past few elections have shown us most Canadians find CULTURAL conservatism distasteful, not fiscal conservatism. As long as Carney remains culturally centre or left then he’ll continue to enjoy support from much of the left.
Also electing him meant we didn’t have wet noodle PP leading our country. What an embarrassment that would have been!
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Goodness, Axworthy is crashing out hard.
Maybe before he goes off about the alleged values the Liberal party used to hold, he should look at the behaviour of the governments he was quite happily a part of.
Carney’s Liberals are governing VERY much like the Chrétien government in which Mr. Axworthy was proud to serve, but without the benefit of the rules-based order that was bedrock to everything Lloyd touched in that role.
…but I guess admitting that wouldn’t get Lloyd bookings for op-eds and talking-head appearances.
Hope more centre left Liberals will speak up about this and maybe even consider joining the NDP. It’s clear that Carney has been getting a steady stream of Conservative defections because he’s a better Con PM than PP could hope to be. At the same time, I’d be surprised if that doesn’t rub a few of the more progressive Liberals the wrong way. Hope to see more of these criticisms now that the ice has been broken.
As long as Carney stays relatively faithful to Trudeau’s left-wing ideals and identity politics (childcare, sufficient attention paid to LGBTQ issues, indigenous reconciliation), I don’t think most far-left Liberals are going to care about how he deals with the rest, as long as it’s preserving them from a Poilievre-led government.
Axworthy did Canada proud in the time and circumstances he was governing in. And there’s nothing wrong g with having dissenting voices now.
That said, I think Carney’s Liberals are governing as small “c” conservatives because that’s what Canadians voted for. The Trudeau Liberals had lost count of employees, trees planted, students, TFWs, dollars… and we need a correction.
They won’t advertise gutting the public service and social safety nets I’m favour of a bigger military. Pretty sure we are also on our way towards fascism
My, my has Loyd lost it? Where is the PBO? Recall it was first established to provide independent scrutiny of the federal govt by Harper! Seems carney doesn’t believe in transparency. How about the discretionary wasteful spending and record debt? When in conservative history have we had deficits so large? Sure we had huge deficits for example during the Mulroney years but they were the result of PET’s mismanagement of Canada and the aftermath of that. They were a necessity unlike the massive spending planned by carney.
As for those HST removals from new home builds. They builders are the ones that are going to profit from that. Market prices determine house prices, not govt intervention.
While Harper did cozy up to china, that was before china showed its true colors. The whole world was clamoring for access to the chinese market. Only to find out that allthey wanted was raw materials.
I am not seeing it.
It sounds like some commenters on this post are viewing it as a criticism rather than as a a compliment on Carney’s policies. To me, Carney appears to be a Liberal in the Jean Chretien tradition, certainly a more conservative type of Liberal than J. Trudeau. One might even say that he is a classical Liberal. For those who find classical Liberalism abhorrent, Carney is, indeed, a reversion to an earlier Liberal tradition. However, for those who have some admiration for classical liberalism, his positions are much more palatable than Trudeau’s.
Chacun a son gout.
Lloyd Axworty is the board chairman for the World Refugee & Migration Council and his main beef with Carney is that this Prime Minister would dare impose some kind of minimum standards on whom is allowed to migrate here or claim asylum status.
Axworthy’s group opposes the Safe Third Country agreement and believes it is incumbent upon developed nations like Canada to accept an unlimited number of migrants, particularly as the climate changes.
These blissful happy land notions have become deeply unpopular amongst the Canadian people, but Axworthy, being the relic of the 1990s that he is, has no clue about any of that.
As for Carney being a conservative? When you’re as far left as Lloyd Axworthy is, everybody looks like a right winger.
I think the past few elections have shown us most Canadians find CULTURAL conservatism distasteful, not fiscal conservatism. As long as Carney remains culturally centre or left then he’ll continue to enjoy support from much of the left.
Also electing him meant we didn’t have wet noodle PP leading our country. What an embarrassment that would have been!