The most fraud that goes on in this country is against the disabled and aged, people who cannot push back and who’s cries go unanswered.
Lodging a complaint gets the worst possible answer “Have you talked to your provider about your concerns?” You mean the provider who has threatened to burn down my house, with me in it, if I say anything?
mrflibble4747 on
Just another way of saying predatory business model utilised to scam NDIS!
Most big businesses today could accurately be described as “Organised Crime Gangs” so the differentiation has little meaning!
Even our Justice System is just another Organised Crime Gang!
It is so comforting to know that we are all equal under the law!
Coles and Woolies do not rip us off!
Resources companies paid big money to politicians for sweetheart deals, pay sod all for resources and still cheat and scam wherever they can!
Health Insurance! Explain that to an alien to prove there is intelligent life on Earth!
East Coast energy pricing and the “no gas reserve” is a very special rort that would bemuse the aliens also!
And on and on and on, we get what we vote for!
Confident-Poem-3613 on
Very personal opinion, Feds should do an investigation in how this money travels abroad and fund what kind of crap. And then, do a crackdown. We should have the investigation first.
Stock-Walrus-2589 on
Unregulated industry becomes corrupted by unregulated activities. Government shocked by this.
Kageru on
This is partly why we have public servants and public hospitals. Pumping money into loosely regulated private providers is just asking for there to be fraud at multiple levels. And if the structure inherently encourages fraud it becomes so widespread and normalised that detecting, proving and punishing cannot keep up or provide sufficient disincentive. Especially if the company can just phoenix.
jantoxdetox on
Hey Trebek, what is a duh?
When even my friends who are a bit better off has problems paying 200-300/hr therapy sessions that were facilitated by a young person that didnt know what they are doing, yeah, thats rorting the system for you.
Kato2460 on
Probs just the CFMEU
shahitukdegang on
“Privatisation is the best way to optimize public spending and give people choice” 🤦🏽
Ordinary-Resource382 on
Sounds like a proper Victorian project then
The-Hank-Scorpio on
The wrong people made a video of NDIS fraud, so now we can’t investigate it out of spite though.
Scriptosis on
Largely a symptom of how focused the NDIS is on giving funding to private groups instead of doing it through public servants, but I have no doubt it’s going to lead to more cuts instead of actually tackling the core isssue.
Fenixius on
Sorry, but why is this framed as “gangs using intimidation ***against Australians?***” Are The Guardian implying that they’re foreign-based or -backed gangs? There’s nothing in the article to suggest so.
So I have to ask, are we really just appealing to One Nation voters like this now, casually normalising nationalism and jingoism in the process?
AggravatingTartlet on
Why are we told there are organised gangs but there are no names or photographs of the criminals?
Why are they being allowed to stay hidden? We should at least be told their names. This is many millions of dollars.
ThoughtIknewyouthen on
Just don’t ask about the in-prison network of crims getting network providers to sign them up before release. It;s almost as if benefit programs attract the gami-est of gamifiers in society.
Otaraka on
‘NDIS fraud is only a small part of organised crime activity in Australia: data from the Australian Institute of Criminology estimates the cost of criminal activity at up to $82.3bn in 2023-24, equivalent to 3.2% of GDP.’
There’s no doubt fraud exists but this doesnt do anything to quantify organised crime as a specific issue for the NDIS. It could be 90% of fraud or one percent the way they’ve written it.
iwoolf on
This is all part of the propaganda to justify severely cutting support of every kind for disabled people in successive Government budgets. Attack the most vulnerable, kick ‘em while they’re down, keep them down, starve them, punish them for being disabled, and NEVER let them have relationships.
TizzyBumblefluff on
Well they keep raiding the tobacco shops so I guess it makes sense they’d use a “legitimate” front with very little checks and balances.
Cymelion on
NDIS introduced in July of 2013 by the Gillard government.
Tony Abbott elected in September of 2013 followed by 9 consecutive years of LNP being in power.
So the question dear reporter is WHEN WAS IT INFILTRATED dear reporter? When DID THE ROT TAKE ROOT?
Cultural_Wallaby208 on
Should never have been privatised. Just build as government services, it’s cheaper, better quality, better regulated.
fionsichord on
This is exactly what they had companies advising them to do a couple of years ago- whenever they’re about to make some heartless cuts, put out every story of ‘bad providers’ they can so we all get angry and vengeful and forget about the participants and the ongoing administrative bullshit that is the Agency itself, and the amount of money they themselves spend in court and still end up having to fund the supports they unfairly denied in the first place.
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FeralKittee on
Instead of outsourcing everything under the sun, making it open season on businesses to screw both government funding and the disabled, the government should be returning more operations in-house.
Outsourcing only ever results long-term in higher prices for consumers, poorer quality of care, increased vulnerability, and the government just stands back and shrugs saying that they are no longer accountable.
jkggwp on
NDIS needs to be heavily regulated like Medicare. All service providers need to be AHPRA registered and held to same standards. Cut the NDIS budget and move it to childcare, education and Medicare
Dog_Fish89 on
The NDIS is the most scam-able thing the our government has ever come up with.
I manage my mums NDIS fund and have caught 4 of her care providers trying submit fraudulent invoices (about 15k extra in total)
To put that in perspective she has only ever had 4 carers….
After 4 years the NDIS has never queried or checked up on a single thing that has happened in her fund. If not to me checking
Then ever single person she has dealt with would have committed fraud agains her/ the NDIS and no one would even know about it
Rush_Banana on
The husbands sell illegal tobacco and the wives are dodgy NDIS providers.
ItsStaaaaaaaaang on
I don’t think the courts even have the option to give the people that do shit like this what they deserve.
2020Consciousspirit on
Ndis biggest scam in Australia currently.
Superb-Mall3805 on
I work somewhere that has a lot of people come through with companion cards. Too many times I have seen support workers acting horribly to their clients. There’s a push to get people into doing support work and it’s clear that a lot of people doing it have no business being there. I tried to report it once but there’s apparently no action that can be taken unless a crime was committed.
johor on
Quick, somebody get Drew Pavlou on the case!
/s obvs
Nerkado on
We’ve run out of things to bash the government with so let’s pull out the NDIS card again. Yay I love the media.
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Surprising absolutely nobody.
The most fraud that goes on in this country is against the disabled and aged, people who cannot push back and who’s cries go unanswered.
Lodging a complaint gets the worst possible answer “Have you talked to your provider about your concerns?” You mean the provider who has threatened to burn down my house, with me in it, if I say anything?
Just another way of saying predatory business model utilised to scam NDIS!
Most big businesses today could accurately be described as “Organised Crime Gangs” so the differentiation has little meaning!
Even our Justice System is just another Organised Crime Gang!
It is so comforting to know that we are all equal under the law!
Coles and Woolies do not rip us off!
Resources companies paid big money to politicians for sweetheart deals, pay sod all for resources and still cheat and scam wherever they can!
Health Insurance! Explain that to an alien to prove there is intelligent life on Earth!
East Coast energy pricing and the “no gas reserve” is a very special rort that would bemuse the aliens also!
And on and on and on, we get what we vote for!
Very personal opinion, Feds should do an investigation in how this money travels abroad and fund what kind of crap. And then, do a crackdown. We should have the investigation first.
Unregulated industry becomes corrupted by unregulated activities. Government shocked by this.
This is partly why we have public servants and public hospitals. Pumping money into loosely regulated private providers is just asking for there to be fraud at multiple levels. And if the structure inherently encourages fraud it becomes so widespread and normalised that detecting, proving and punishing cannot keep up or provide sufficient disincentive. Especially if the company can just phoenix.
Hey Trebek, what is a duh?
When even my friends who are a bit better off has problems paying 200-300/hr therapy sessions that were facilitated by a young person that didnt know what they are doing, yeah, thats rorting the system for you.
Probs just the CFMEU
“Privatisation is the best way to optimize public spending and give people choice” 🤦🏽
Sounds like a proper Victorian project then
The wrong people made a video of NDIS fraud, so now we can’t investigate it out of spite though.
Largely a symptom of how focused the NDIS is on giving funding to private groups instead of doing it through public servants, but I have no doubt it’s going to lead to more cuts instead of actually tackling the core isssue.
Sorry, but why is this framed as “gangs using intimidation ***against Australians?***” Are The Guardian implying that they’re foreign-based or -backed gangs? There’s nothing in the article to suggest so.
So I have to ask, are we really just appealing to One Nation voters like this now, casually normalising nationalism and jingoism in the process?
Why are we told there are organised gangs but there are no names or photographs of the criminals?
Why are they being allowed to stay hidden? We should at least be told their names. This is many millions of dollars.
Just don’t ask about the in-prison network of crims getting network providers to sign them up before release. It;s almost as if benefit programs attract the gami-est of gamifiers in society.
‘NDIS fraud is only a small part of organised crime activity in Australia: data from the Australian Institute of Criminology estimates the cost of criminal activity at up to $82.3bn in 2023-24, equivalent to 3.2% of GDP.’
There’s no doubt fraud exists but this doesnt do anything to quantify organised crime as a specific issue for the NDIS. It could be 90% of fraud or one percent the way they’ve written it.
This is all part of the propaganda to justify severely cutting support of every kind for disabled people in successive Government budgets. Attack the most vulnerable, kick ‘em while they’re down, keep them down, starve them, punish them for being disabled, and NEVER let them have relationships.
Well they keep raiding the tobacco shops so I guess it makes sense they’d use a “legitimate” front with very little checks and balances.
NDIS introduced in July of 2013 by the Gillard government.
Tony Abbott elected in September of 2013 followed by 9 consecutive years of LNP being in power.
So the question dear reporter is WHEN WAS IT INFILTRATED dear reporter? When DID THE ROT TAKE ROOT?
Should never have been privatised. Just build as government services, it’s cheaper, better quality, better regulated.
This is exactly what they had companies advising them to do a couple of years ago- whenever they’re about to make some heartless cuts, put out every story of ‘bad providers’ they can so we all get angry and vengeful and forget about the participants and the ongoing administrative bullshit that is the Agency itself, and the amount of money they themselves spend in court and still end up having to fund the supports they unfairly denied in the first place.
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Instead of outsourcing everything under the sun, making it open season on businesses to screw both government funding and the disabled, the government should be returning more operations in-house.
Outsourcing only ever results long-term in higher prices for consumers, poorer quality of care, increased vulnerability, and the government just stands back and shrugs saying that they are no longer accountable.
NDIS needs to be heavily regulated like Medicare. All service providers need to be AHPRA registered and held to same standards. Cut the NDIS budget and move it to childcare, education and Medicare
The NDIS is the most scam-able thing the our government has ever come up with.
I manage my mums NDIS fund and have caught 4 of her care providers trying submit fraudulent invoices (about 15k extra in total)
To put that in perspective she has only ever had 4 carers….
After 4 years the NDIS has never queried or checked up on a single thing that has happened in her fund. If not to me checking
Then ever single person she has dealt with would have committed fraud agains her/ the NDIS and no one would even know about it
The husbands sell illegal tobacco and the wives are dodgy NDIS providers.
I don’t think the courts even have the option to give the people that do shit like this what they deserve.
Ndis biggest scam in Australia currently.
I work somewhere that has a lot of people come through with companion cards. Too many times I have seen support workers acting horribly to their clients. There’s a push to get people into doing support work and it’s clear that a lot of people doing it have no business being there. I tried to report it once but there’s apparently no action that can be taken unless a crime was committed.
Quick, somebody get Drew Pavlou on the case!
/s obvs
We’ve run out of things to bash the government with so let’s pull out the NDIS card again. Yay I love the media.