This government and the last (and likely the next) want disabled people dead because they view them as useless and unworthy of care. I spent all of last year advocating for my disability and I had mark butler, the minister for disability, and the minister for mental health all tell me it’s not their problem and that they don’t plan on doing anything to even acknowledge the existence of my disability. Prepare to watch the disabled people in your life drop like flies.
theHoundLivessss on
These cuts are nothing short of barbaric, punishing the most vulnerable Australians for the failings of neoliberal outsourcing to scummy providers who acted as the market dictates. Also, morality aside, this is a shifting of responsibility, not a reduction. Police, schools, social workers, and hospitals will be the ones who pick up the slack from these cuts. It is not like these people will suddenly stop needing help.
darbmobile on
Anybody who supports these cuts is morally reprehensible.
We all will become disabled. Every single one of us.
Yes that includes you.
purplelegs on
There a lady who sells the big issue outside my woolies. If I’m not in too much of a rush we usually get into a pretty good convo. Her stories about how disability support has changed over the years always blows my mind.
How come our most vulnerable people are last having to go it alone whilst giant corporations get away with paying very little dues back into society?
ausmomo on
Whilst the NDIS needed trimming, like all multi-billion dollar spending buckets, it looks like Labor just took the easy path of the razor gang. You’re autistic? Too fucking bad. You’re a provider rorting the NDIS for hundreds of thousands a year? No problems.
Riku1186 on
Really shows that both major parties are in lockstep where it really matters, rather than fixing things for the most vulnerable Australians, they just cut them off, all while amping up military spending.
CFPmum on
I think all the older Australians who seem to be the loudest NDIS haters, should really look at how our most vulnerable members of society are being treated now that they are not the flavour of the month with politicians and question if this my aged care is going to go the same way for them once older Australians are not the flavour of the month and will they be left high and dry as people with disabilities are being treated.
madcatte on
The voting base in this country largely has no idea what it wants but is very capable of being dissatisfied with absolutely everything nonetheless
blitznoodles on
I would simply like to remind people that the designers of the NDIS agree with these changes. The massive scope creep at 10% growth a year is unsustainable.
1 in 7 Australian children should not be on the NDIS. And if they do need additional support, the NDIS is not the correct government service design for it.
RedditUser628426 on
It’s almost like they planned it to fail, why between two governments let it get to such a state where people don’t support it.
Australians love and are loyal and protective of Medicare but NDIS doesn’t seem to have this I guess because fraud etc.
If you are disabled it must be disheartening but I don’t see it as a reflection on Australia’s view of disabled people.
The statement from Butler “It’s not an ATM for every grifter and shonky operator” has me pretty concerned they must be sitting on some very ugly numbers in terms of suspected fraud.
TheLaughingPhoenix on
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t lol.
CerberusOCR on
Sorry but there’s massive abuse within NDIS both from recipients and service providers. 1/7 Australian kids are currently on NDIS which is ridiculous. That money could go to things that benefit all Ausssies
Ser_Shans_the_Big on
Tax the gas industry appropriately and we might be able to afford to make our lives better and safer.
RedOx103 on
I’ve never seen a fraction of the scrutiny applied to the defense budget vs. the welfare spend.
How do we know we’re getting value for money?
clarky2481 on
It either gets overhauled and stripped back like these new changes are attempting, or eventually it will fail under its own weight. Theres no other option.
A $50B budget item growing at 10% per year, thats 7-8% over target inflation in indefinite future forecasts will eventually run us out of cash.
You cant tax your way out of that problem, you need to rein in the cost.
For example a you could do the 25% Gas tax and raise the ~$17B per year, but thats only a few years of growth then we are back at the same problem in 2030 only with less tax levers to pull.
You could also cut back on defence spending but thats thats also just a bandaid solution, because eventually all the models and forecasts show the costs will dwarf those savings. A lot would also argue in the current geopolitical climate defence spending is more necessary than ever but thats not todays debate.
Generalaladeeen on
One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other, those NDIS cuts would’ve been made regardless of a hike in defence spending, as they planned to reign in spending well in advance.
The media is trying wedge Labor on the NDIS issues, either they keep spending and they get touted as financially irresponsible (which they weren’t planning on doing anyway), or they make the necessary cuts then get critcised for that as well.
Damned if they do, damned if they dont.
AStubbs86 on
what are new Australians going to do for work if we limit ndis ? have you thought about all who will be affected 😉
Automatic-Project-25 on
Tax the gas, tax the gas!
BornTelevision8206 on
I really dont think it was controversial to make major cuts. The vast majority of people agree that it was out of control
Noodlebat83 on
Uneasy? We literally cannot afford it the way it’s heading. We either do something about it now or it falls apart completely in a few years. There’s only so much tax you can squeeze out of income. If we taxed resources and wealth better maybe we could have a bigger system but until Australia grows the balls required to do that we are stuck here.
BigAsianBootyLover on
I’m not uneasy about the cuts… if there are people receiving benefits and services that they don’t actually need, then they shouldn’t be getting it.
ausmomo on
“How dare this government, who promised they wouldn’t cut the NDIS, balance their budget by selling disabled people’s dignity,” Waters said.
Is that part true? The part re Labor’s promise. I wasn’t really paying attention to NDIS stuff at the last election.
thejoshimitsu on
They fucking should be! The announce NDIS cuts, but they’re not going against the dodgy companies that fuck over participants and basically horde wealth to themselves. No, instead they say they’re going after autistic people.
I am an autistic adult with various co-morbid mental illnesses. I literally could not function in society if it wasn’t for the supports I get through the NDIS. Things that a lot of people take for granted and think nothing of are major things for me. If I was to be kicked off the system my life would basically crumble to pieces. I’m just barely holding on at the moment as is.
And this happens as defence spending is increasing. For what? What country currently poses us a threat? China? Come the fuck on, when has China indicated that they want to move on us militarily? Plus even if they did want to, they would have to go throw all of South East Asia first. There’s always gotta be some boogeyman threat so defence companies can make money.
There are ways to cut down on the increase NDIS budget that don’t fuck over the people who need it. I’m telling you that if the government goes down this route of targetting autistic people to kick them off the system, we are going to see a massive increase in suicide rates. This is not what we should be like as a society.
rose_gold_glitter on
Look, guys, we can’t continue to pay this much into the NDIS.
We need that money to make sure resource companies and other multinationals don’t have to pay any tax and to bail out corporations when they gamble and lose.
TigersReet on
Tax the rich! Don’t cut funds for our most needy! Have the balls to do the right thing!!!
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This government and the last (and likely the next) want disabled people dead because they view them as useless and unworthy of care. I spent all of last year advocating for my disability and I had mark butler, the minister for disability, and the minister for mental health all tell me it’s not their problem and that they don’t plan on doing anything to even acknowledge the existence of my disability. Prepare to watch the disabled people in your life drop like flies.
These cuts are nothing short of barbaric, punishing the most vulnerable Australians for the failings of neoliberal outsourcing to scummy providers who acted as the market dictates. Also, morality aside, this is a shifting of responsibility, not a reduction. Police, schools, social workers, and hospitals will be the ones who pick up the slack from these cuts. It is not like these people will suddenly stop needing help.
Anybody who supports these cuts is morally reprehensible.
We all will become disabled. Every single one of us.
Yes that includes you.
There a lady who sells the big issue outside my woolies. If I’m not in too much of a rush we usually get into a pretty good convo. Her stories about how disability support has changed over the years always blows my mind.
How come our most vulnerable people are last having to go it alone whilst giant corporations get away with paying very little dues back into society?
Whilst the NDIS needed trimming, like all multi-billion dollar spending buckets, it looks like Labor just took the easy path of the razor gang. You’re autistic? Too fucking bad. You’re a provider rorting the NDIS for hundreds of thousands a year? No problems.
Really shows that both major parties are in lockstep where it really matters, rather than fixing things for the most vulnerable Australians, they just cut them off, all while amping up military spending.
I think all the older Australians who seem to be the loudest NDIS haters, should really look at how our most vulnerable members of society are being treated now that they are not the flavour of the month with politicians and question if this my aged care is going to go the same way for them once older Australians are not the flavour of the month and will they be left high and dry as people with disabilities are being treated.
The voting base in this country largely has no idea what it wants but is very capable of being dissatisfied with absolutely everything nonetheless
I would simply like to remind people that the designers of the NDIS agree with these changes. The massive scope creep at 10% growth a year is unsustainable.
1 in 7 Australian children should not be on the NDIS. And if they do need additional support, the NDIS is not the correct government service design for it.
It’s almost like they planned it to fail, why between two governments let it get to such a state where people don’t support it.
Australians love and are loyal and protective of Medicare but NDIS doesn’t seem to have this I guess because fraud etc.
If you are disabled it must be disheartening but I don’t see it as a reflection on Australia’s view of disabled people.
The statement from Butler “It’s not an ATM for every grifter and shonky operator” has me pretty concerned they must be sitting on some very ugly numbers in terms of suspected fraud.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t lol.
Sorry but there’s massive abuse within NDIS both from recipients and service providers. 1/7 Australian kids are currently on NDIS which is ridiculous. That money could go to things that benefit all Ausssies
Tax the gas industry appropriately and we might be able to afford to make our lives better and safer.
I’ve never seen a fraction of the scrutiny applied to the defense budget vs. the welfare spend.
How do we know we’re getting value for money?
It either gets overhauled and stripped back like these new changes are attempting, or eventually it will fail under its own weight. Theres no other option.
A $50B budget item growing at 10% per year, thats 7-8% over target inflation in indefinite future forecasts will eventually run us out of cash.
You cant tax your way out of that problem, you need to rein in the cost.
For example a you could do the 25% Gas tax and raise the ~$17B per year, but thats only a few years of growth then we are back at the same problem in 2030 only with less tax levers to pull.
You could also cut back on defence spending but thats thats also just a bandaid solution, because eventually all the models and forecasts show the costs will dwarf those savings. A lot would also argue in the current geopolitical climate defence spending is more necessary than ever but thats not todays debate.
One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other, those NDIS cuts would’ve been made regardless of a hike in defence spending, as they planned to reign in spending well in advance.
The media is trying wedge Labor on the NDIS issues, either they keep spending and they get touted as financially irresponsible (which they weren’t planning on doing anyway), or they make the necessary cuts then get critcised for that as well.
Damned if they do, damned if they dont.
what are new Australians going to do for work if we limit ndis ? have you thought about all who will be affected 😉
Tax the gas, tax the gas!
I really dont think it was controversial to make major cuts. The vast majority of people agree that it was out of control
Uneasy? We literally cannot afford it the way it’s heading. We either do something about it now or it falls apart completely in a few years. There’s only so much tax you can squeeze out of income. If we taxed resources and wealth better maybe we could have a bigger system but until Australia grows the balls required to do that we are stuck here.
I’m not uneasy about the cuts… if there are people receiving benefits and services that they don’t actually need, then they shouldn’t be getting it.
“How dare this government, who promised they wouldn’t cut the NDIS, balance their budget by selling disabled people’s dignity,” Waters said.
Is that part true? The part re Labor’s promise. I wasn’t really paying attention to NDIS stuff at the last election.
They fucking should be! The announce NDIS cuts, but they’re not going against the dodgy companies that fuck over participants and basically horde wealth to themselves. No, instead they say they’re going after autistic people.
I am an autistic adult with various co-morbid mental illnesses. I literally could not function in society if it wasn’t for the supports I get through the NDIS. Things that a lot of people take for granted and think nothing of are major things for me. If I was to be kicked off the system my life would basically crumble to pieces. I’m just barely holding on at the moment as is.
And this happens as defence spending is increasing. For what? What country currently poses us a threat? China? Come the fuck on, when has China indicated that they want to move on us militarily? Plus even if they did want to, they would have to go throw all of South East Asia first. There’s always gotta be some boogeyman threat so defence companies can make money.
There are ways to cut down on the increase NDIS budget that don’t fuck over the people who need it. I’m telling you that if the government goes down this route of targetting autistic people to kick them off the system, we are going to see a massive increase in suicide rates. This is not what we should be like as a society.
Look, guys, we can’t continue to pay this much into the NDIS.
We need that money to make sure resource companies and other multinationals don’t have to pay any tax and to bail out corporations when they gamble and lose.
Tax the rich! Don’t cut funds for our most needy! Have the balls to do the right thing!!!