This is Bibi’s FAFO moment. He lined up with the far right to stay in power thinking he could keep them in check. And boy has he been mistaken.
Reasonable_Ninja5708 on
This would be great, but Bibi somehow always comes back.
Brief_Hospital_1766 on
The real question is will Bibi ever be tried for his crimes against the planet?
LLJKCicero on
Ultra orthodox are such whiny snowflakes. Won’t serve in the military (or even a civilian equivalent for national service) or get a regular job. They expect the state to just support them, forever.
No_Rain8512 on
These ultra Orthodox folks get to live a life of leisure thanks to Israeli and American taxpayers.
Ev3nt on
There should be no tax exemption for any religious institution in any nation-state, much less all the crazy subsidies the Ultra Orthodox(and so many other religious groups) recieve in Israel and the US.
dennis-w220 on
A group of people who are most aggressive in the diplomatic policy, expansion, and war refuse to serve in the military in a nation every adult male must serve. How could that logic hold for so long? This kind of stuff always amazes me. Israel is also most educated natoin in the world. I think that make more of its population with critical thinking.
AF-IX on
The ones that bang the drums of war the loudest…are always the first to run and hide from serving.
NotMyMainLoLzy on
Government collapse doesn’t mean what a lot of people think it means. Their government structure will function just fine. The day to day lives of people and the economy will function as normal. The ruling legislative body will be in knots and arguments, but that’s about it.
Caesarea_G on
FYI: Israel is a parliamentary system (the US, on the other hand, is presidential), where “government” is not synonymous to the state, but instead refers to what the US would term an “administration”. So a “government collapse” in a parliamentary system is not as dramatic as it sounds.
It doesn’t mean that Israel as a state is collapsing, it just means that the current PM and cabinet are out and they will elect someone new.
Proxy-Pie on
They’ve basically agreed to enough things that the worst-case scenario is it collapses by 4 weeks of the actual end date. Keep in mind it’s historically quite uncommon for Israeli governments to reach the end period. It’s just a testament to Netanyahu’s political skills that he was able to not only hold together this coalition after the worst attack and security failure in Israel’s history, but to recover enough in the polls that his ouster is now no longer the likely result.
V0R88 on
The biggest threat to Israel’s existence ironically is these guys and not their Arab neighbours
CacTye on
Good. Draft those fuckers.
GaulzeGaul on
Craziest thing that the ultra orthodox are supportive of the war but don’t need to put their own people in harm’s way and they think that is ok.
tpahornet on
Promise?
scrapy_the_scrap on
I mean elections in October regardless, but i wouldnt object to it happening earlier… Too bad this couldnt happen a year or two ago tho
Random_182f2565 on
Israel is just theme park for the Ultra orthodox
leftoverrice54 on
Quick Google search says ultra orthodox Jews comprise around 13% of the population. Kind of surprising that they seem to have that much of an impact in parliament tbh.
thecity2 on
Just like in America, the religious right in Israel is the fundamental(ist) problem.
Prudent_Situation_29 on
“We’re fine with people being forced to fight, just not us.”
A draft, by definition, is a process by which people who would otherwise not choose to serve are forced to. That means it’s against their will.
Exempting people for religious reasons is (and always has been) ridiculous. “We both believe that we shouldn’t have to serve, but because my belief is based on religion, it’s valid.”
asjj177 on
It’s the oldest trick in the book in Israeli politics –
People want ultra orthodox communities to be join the army
Ultra orthodox don’t want to serve
Every coalition relies on the support of the ultra orthodox, as the right and left wing parties won’t join hands together. The orthodox party doesn’t really care who is in charge as long as they get their share and support their voters (One of the best parties in that regard). For decades, they are trying to pass a law that will exclude their people from serving.
So, what’s the bluff? Bibi knows that if such law passes, he loses a large chunk of his voters. The orthodox parties know that if they are not promoting this law, they will lose their voters – However, both parties a natural allies.
Elections were supposed to occur soon anyway, so they are causing the govt to collapse right before the time for elections, to show their voters “You see? Im fighting for you even if it costs my position in the govt”
Few-Chipmunk143 on
Good.
DDoubleDDog on
Bennet will likely be the next PM and he’s not going to make any deals with the ultra Orthodox. He will draft them into the military.
Ok-Training-7587 on
The ultra orthodox sre the reason they are always at war and they won’t even fight
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Doubt.
This is Bibi’s FAFO moment. He lined up with the far right to stay in power thinking he could keep them in check. And boy has he been mistaken.
This would be great, but Bibi somehow always comes back.
The real question is will Bibi ever be tried for his crimes against the planet?
Ultra orthodox are such whiny snowflakes. Won’t serve in the military (or even a civilian equivalent for national service) or get a regular job. They expect the state to just support them, forever.
These ultra Orthodox folks get to live a life of leisure thanks to Israeli and American taxpayers.
There should be no tax exemption for any religious institution in any nation-state, much less all the crazy subsidies the Ultra Orthodox(and so many other religious groups) recieve in Israel and the US.
A group of people who are most aggressive in the diplomatic policy, expansion, and war refuse to serve in the military in a nation every adult male must serve. How could that logic hold for so long? This kind of stuff always amazes me. Israel is also most educated natoin in the world. I think that make more of its population with critical thinking.
The ones that bang the drums of war the loudest…are always the first to run and hide from serving.
Government collapse doesn’t mean what a lot of people think it means. Their government structure will function just fine. The day to day lives of people and the economy will function as normal. The ruling legislative body will be in knots and arguments, but that’s about it.
FYI: Israel is a parliamentary system (the US, on the other hand, is presidential), where “government” is not synonymous to the state, but instead refers to what the US would term an “administration”. So a “government collapse” in a parliamentary system is not as dramatic as it sounds.
It doesn’t mean that Israel as a state is collapsing, it just means that the current PM and cabinet are out and they will elect someone new.
They’ve basically agreed to enough things that the worst-case scenario is it collapses by 4 weeks of the actual end date. Keep in mind it’s historically quite uncommon for Israeli governments to reach the end period. It’s just a testament to Netanyahu’s political skills that he was able to not only hold together this coalition after the worst attack and security failure in Israel’s history, but to recover enough in the polls that his ouster is now no longer the likely result.
The biggest threat to Israel’s existence ironically is these guys and not their Arab neighbours
Good. Draft those fuckers.
Craziest thing that the ultra orthodox are supportive of the war but don’t need to put their own people in harm’s way and they think that is ok.
Promise?
I mean elections in October regardless, but i wouldnt object to it happening earlier… Too bad this couldnt happen a year or two ago tho
Israel is just theme park for the Ultra orthodox
Quick Google search says ultra orthodox Jews comprise around 13% of the population. Kind of surprising that they seem to have that much of an impact in parliament tbh.
Just like in America, the religious right in Israel is the fundamental(ist) problem.
“We’re fine with people being forced to fight, just not us.”
A draft, by definition, is a process by which people who would otherwise not choose to serve are forced to. That means it’s against their will.
Exempting people for religious reasons is (and always has been) ridiculous. “We both believe that we shouldn’t have to serve, but because my belief is based on religion, it’s valid.”
It’s the oldest trick in the book in Israeli politics –
People want ultra orthodox communities to be join the army
Ultra orthodox don’t want to serve
Every coalition relies on the support of the ultra orthodox, as the right and left wing parties won’t join hands together. The orthodox party doesn’t really care who is in charge as long as they get their share and support their voters (One of the best parties in that regard). For decades, they are trying to pass a law that will exclude their people from serving.
So, what’s the bluff? Bibi knows that if such law passes, he loses a large chunk of his voters. The orthodox parties know that if they are not promoting this law, they will lose their voters – However, both parties a natural allies.
Elections were supposed to occur soon anyway, so they are causing the govt to collapse right before the time for elections, to show their voters “You see? Im fighting for you even if it costs my position in the govt”
Good.
Bennet will likely be the next PM and he’s not going to make any deals with the ultra Orthodox. He will draft them into the military.
The ultra orthodox sre the reason they are always at war and they won’t even fight
I’ll believe it when I see it
One can only hope.