PbP on Israel vs. PbP on Russia
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PbP on Israel vs. PbP on Russia
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Posted by Fealocht
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he’s a grifer god
Dickheads on the left dickheads on the right….dickheads in the center
We are fucked
I do believe I can understand where PbP is coming from on this.
Russian civilians are under the thumb of Putin and his cronies and opposition nowadays means being turned into fertiliser in the territory of Ukraine. However this is the reality of sanctions, they’re done this way to draw pressure upon the sanctioned government by the people’s fury, but in this case it’s not working. Russians are hardy people who’ve fared a lot of brutality, and at this point are either going along with the regime or pretending to so they don’t get shot, and in the case of being dragged into the war, fragging their local teams / commanders and attemopting to surrender to Ukraine.
Do I think it’s wrong here? I don’t think so, in a normal world this would be insane cruelty to economically strangle an entire nation of people, but this isn’t a normal world, and anything that puts the Russian war machine into the dirt is a necessary cruelty.
My son, you look for logic, consistency and honesty where there is none.
Unfortunately what I’ve learned over the years is that the hard left are just anti-US & US allies and pro any US enemy.
PBP are useless
Do we need to discuss anything else?
That’s what happens when you define yourself against “Western imperialism”.
You end up by default on the opposite side of the US.
Sometimes that puts you on the right side of history such as support for Palestine.
However, other times it puts you on the wrong side such as support for Russia.
Grown ups can recognise you don’t always have to come down on one side.
Imperialism is imperialism regardless of who the agressor is.
Unfortunately for PBP politicians, they never mature beyond student politics.
PBP’s selective morality is a joke.
This is the classic useful idiot trap where being anti west means carrying water for dictators.
They claim to represent the working class while acting as a PR wing for any regime that hates the West.
It is just the same old playbook where the enemy of my enemy is my friend, even if that friend is a war criminal.
I have a lot of admiration for PBP on some things, but the Russia thing 😵💫
You cannot expect a socialist to be consistent or logical.
I find this a tricky one to take. While on the one hand the plight of the Ukrainian people should be recognised and then on the other if we’re talking about Palestine Zelenksy hasn’t been the most vocal in it’s support.
Because PBP are anti-imperialist. But PBP are of the strain of left wing political thought that the West are the worst/only imperial power. So they’re happy to support directly or indirectly any nation which is anti-West even if they are themselves imperialists.
If Russia was a US ally when they invaded Ukraine PBP would’ve been the first party to call for sanctions against them.
Honestly who gives a shit?
They’re absolutely 100% correct on Israel.
More sanctions on the Russian economy means less money.
Which means less weapons to kill ordinary decent Ukrainians.
“Do it like we used to” is never a valid argument. Times change. I wholly agree that Israel is not being sanctioned nearly enough but doing it like we used to is exactly the nonsense any far right entity uses to justify doing what they please.
PBP are right on both counts.
Part time righteousness.
PBP stance here is very hypocritical. The far left always hate the US and Israel but love Russia even the regime changed 40 years ago and is now as right wing as right wing can be. Ironic that the US and Russia seem to be working at times together but this doesn’t bother them. I don’t know how they justify it to themselves but it runs deep in them. It makes you wonder do they really care about anything except their Marxist philosophy.
Annnnd that’s why PbP will never be elected to government, they’re so heavily in the old “grrrr west is bad” mentality that they’ve become pro-Russian.
Honestly I’d love to vote left wing (and generally have in past votes) in Ireland but jesus christ they’re fucking insufferable gobshites most of the time. PbP particularly should focus on what they do best, acting as a voice against big industry taking advantage of Irish workers.