Nottingham couple took underage sons abroad for marriage
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crrpj7rw8xeo
Posted by MrSoapbox
Nottingham couple took underage sons abroad for marriage
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crrpj7rw8xeo
Posted by MrSoapbox
28 Comments
Bizarre that this practice was only outlawed recently when it’s been going on for decades in the UK in certain areas but good I guess that it’s being enforced.
Does the ruling just mean the parents have to do a few hours of community service but the the marriage is still considered done?
“Not stuck in the Western world,” the father said about his kids…
Why the hell are you here in the UK if you have such antipathy towards Western culture?
This will keep happening until these people are given mandatory prison sentences behind bars.
We can’t let “didn’t know the law changed” be an excuse. They will always say that. And ban cousin marriages whilst we’re at it.
I’m saying this as someone from British Pakistani backround, there will never be integration in to Britain as long as you have chain cousin marriages where youngsters are more or less forced to marry their cousins from Pakistan generation after generation. No matter the age of the children.
Not stuck in the western world?
Why are you living in our country then, oh yes for our handouts, which i presume don’t stay in our economy.
Take your outdated customs and get gone.
The article seems to mention everything but if the marriage is recognised in the UK. Its considered legal in Pakistan but doesn’t say if it will be upheld in the UK.
Also the bride was 18 but the sons were younger, doesn’t say how young, this would be a crisis if a young girl was married off to a legal adult in another country (as it should be considered) but because its a boy its barely worth a judges time. The parents dont care about this slap on the wrist and will do it again with the other son.
BBC with their shoddy journalism again and the UK law being a joke.
They want to live in the UK, but do not want to integrate or follow the local laws. Shame on them!
They should be sentenced to set an example that rule of the land applies not some misguided belief.
Culture is one helluva drug. My Filipino mum took me to Philippines to get circumcised because it’s rite of passage for boys
I heard about this on the news and thought the 2 adults were getting their son’s to marry *each other*.
“Ooh unexpectedly inappropriately progressive!” I thought.
Though it’s probably BC they assumed girls raised in Europe are promiscuous and in other ways “tainted”
Nothing better than to move away from a bad situation so that one can start recreating it elsewhere.
How is a suspended two-month sentence for child trafficking even remotely appropriate?
Is this teeing up where people with multiple wives get extra benefits? Why that is a thing in the UK when its illegal here is absolutely not acceptable
A lot of parents in rural Pakistani / Indian villages want their kids to marry someone with British citizenship as they they can move over here. Far too often it’s a relative, raising the risk hugely of birth defects.
In theory spousal visas have financial requirements but in practice they “meet” the requirements by using the capital option. This capital gets passed around and used for multiple spouses.
I’m not necessarily opposed to appropriate arranged marriages, but I do think there needs to be tighter rules preventing them from becoming a financial burden on the state. And no spousals visas for marriages with relatives.
Currently the rules also hit Brits who fall in love here. It’s ridiculous my neighbour working part time in Tesco easily got a spousal visa for her arranged husband as she was judged able to provide for them.
But a close friend didn’t meet the requirements, for her partner who was finishing his medical training and she’s a university lecturer. So they went to the USA instead.
“It was originally planned for the bride, from Pakistan, to be married to one of the brothers. However, when he did not like her, she was married to the other.”
I know this is a cultural thing. But it doesn’t make it not fucking wrong.
Love all the benefits and creature comforts this country has to offer. Hates the culture.
My guess is one had a secret girlfriend the parents didn’t approve of and tried to get him married to someone they did
When he refused the girl, to not embarrass themselves to the girl’s parents, they then offered their other son
I feel like punitive fines are really really underrated as a form of punishment. Like just tie it to a percentage of monthly income and set duration by crime severity.
I’m a bit concerned that the article states they remain married – surely not in the UK, although it’s probably recognised in Pakistan.
It seems to suggest that the UK recognises marriages conducted abroad even when they would not be legal if performed in the UK?
I understand the delicacy, but I think any marriage which wouldn’t be legal in the UK should not be attract legal recognition in the UK, so she shouldn’t qualify for a spousal visa etc.
The judge ruled no “coercion” happened and yet:
“The mother… was advised to ask him again… she had already asked five or six times…”
And that was in text. How many times did she ask in person, too? There’s a pattern. Ongoing pressure is coercion.
I wonder if this judge is the kind of person who thinks 10 “no”s and 1 “yes” is consent.
Surely returning them to Pakistan would have been better for all involved?
I don’t know about immigration rules, but obviously we all hear about the right to family life in ECHR… so I have a few questions.
Would it be possible for the two wives to then move to the UK when they’re old enough?
Could they get British citizenship by virtue of their spouses being British citizens?
Whether they can get citizenship or not, would they be able to access the welfare state I.e. free at point of use NHS, benefits etc.?
Could the wives then invite their immediate families to live in the UK?
Similarly, could their families get British citizenship or access the welfare state?
Given that living in the UK is likely desirable for many people living in Pakistan, is there an incentive for the first family to marry off their sons for some reward or favour (financial or otherwise)?
If they’re from Nottingham, why did they choose Pakistan?
Until Tony Blair got rid of legislation which in effect prevented this sort of thing happening. It was called the ‘Primary Purpose Clause’. If the purpose of a marriage was to facilitate someone qualifying for a British passport, the person benefiting was refused British Citizenship. When the Labour government abolished it the number of arranged marriages soared. The Labour MP for Keithley protested strongly as many young Asian girls in her constituency were now being forced to marry much older men they’d never even met. Many were left to an uncertain future either here, in Pakistan or Bangladesh.
Western countries need a hard look on what kind of punishments/accountability is needed for people who reject western ideals so strongly. Im an immigrant myself and this is the kind of backward crap that SHOULD NOT be brought into the West.
Know the heritage without naming the heritage!! LOL
So glad we’ve imported this into the country en masse
” However, while the couple remain married, the wife currently lives in Pakistan, the court heard.”
So the boy is still married? According to British Law?
Which area of the world I wonder!? I’m going to go check before I make a full comment.
Yep! Thought so