Not Just a Moral Crisis, Israel Is Now a Political Liability for the Democratic Party | Democrats appear unable to grasp how dramatically public consciousness around Israel has shifted.
Not Just a Moral Crisis, Israel Is Now a Political Liability for the Democratic Party | Democrats appear unable to grasp how dramatically public consciousness around Israel has shifted.
>Democrats, then, who will publicly rage that the war on Iran endangers public welfare, costs taxpayers billions, and undermines long-term US “security” objectives, yet remain staunch allies of Israel committed to subsidizing its arms transfers, prove themselves incapable of recognizing their own political reality. **To say they have lost sight of their own constituencies, if not captured by Zionist PAC donor interests, would be an understatement.**
We have been fed lies for years about how Israel is such a great ally and protector of peace in the middle east. But the mask is fully off and we all see Israel for what it is, a genocidal regime. But AIPAC has many politicians bought and paid for and it is more obvious today than it has ever been.
Zionism is a disease of the mind and needs to end.
y2j850 on
“It occurred to me that Israel had advanced beyond the Jim Crow South and segregated not just the pools and the fountains but the water itself.” Ta-Nehisi Coates – The Message
vagabending on
Democrats are mostly just Republicans lite at this point outside of the few progressives.
SoundSageWisdom on
No more money for them !!!
FlexFanatic on
Don’t think the Democrats are going to give up that sweet sweet donor money.
SurroundTiny on
I just wasted ten minutes of my life looking at that poll the article cited. Whoever put it together is a halfwit
Burritosupreeem on
We’ve been scammed by a a stage show between republicans and democrats for a long time. They pretend to be political opposites but in fact they are one and the same. Owned by the billionaires, Epstein’s, and Israel.
vieric01 on
When someone is paid to have a certain position, don’t expect them to budge from it easily.
Trust me, they know. But it’s too big a hit to their precious pocketbooks to acknowledge.
Crafty_Ish1973 on
The Democrats got spooked after getting humiliated in 1984 and 1988, so the party over-corrected. The corporate [Blue Dogs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition) and the triangulating [Third Way](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way) centrists took over and have steadily moved the Dems to the right of their own voter base ever since.
We need a real opposition party in this country.
RickSt3r on
I don’t think GOP voters are to happy about them dragging us into their conflicts. I’m sure most don’t care about the apartheid thing but the having us contemplating boots on the ground in Iran while they don’t commit any ground troops is wildly unpopular across the American electorate.
versusgorilla on
The GOP is going to drag the US into a war on behalf of Israel and then turn around and be the party to benefit from it because they’ll say anything and stand for nothing other than themselves and corporate profits.
gotaflattire on
It was 25 years ago in college that I received my first ‘Free Palestine’ sticker from a political info booth at a college new semester event.
I had no idea what was going on back then, but since then, it’s second nature for me to condemn the atrocities committed by Israel, with full support of the US, against Palestine.
And as soon as I caught wind of AIPAC, I made sure to avoid voting for any AIPAC sponsored candidate. This came especially useful during a local election a few years ago and the AIPAC democratic candidate actually came to my door, with some aides, to introduce himself and try to gain my support. I already knew I wasn’t voting for him and I hope the look I gave them of “This is absolute bullshit” made them realize maybe Democrat voters weren’t the same mindless drones as MAGA.
He lost that election too.
DonoftheAndals on
We’ve been fed Israeli propaganda for so long
vector_search_blue on
Oh they grasp it.
Careless-Internet-63 on
They know, but their donors are more important to them than their voters
Xezshibole on
Israel’s only relevance to the US is its effect on “Holy Land” Christian voting bloc. That’s basically it.
This Christian bloc that remains large, but has both been in decline and veering right out of swing status for decades now.
As Christians decline out of swing status there’s ever less incentive to put Israel up on a pedestal like the other voter induced special relationships (Ireland/Northern Ireland for Irish Americans, Cuba bullying for Cuban Americans.)
This has played out already with say, AOC or Bernie who are so secure they have little reason bothering to court Christians. Without putting Israel on some pedestal they have thereby called Israel out under **normal western standards.**
Another example is Obama who was secure enough to rarely bother with Israeli bs. In 2014 he responded to the conflict and Israeli attempts at escalation with public criticism of Israel. With no guarantee of US “unconditional support,” aka the US diplomatic umbrella, Israel backed dowm and ended the conflict within weeks. It was in far contrast to Biden’s “unconditional support, hug Israel close” response, or Trump who actively chases this declining Christian vote.
No-Tackle-6112 on
This is a distraction wedge issue. Gaza wasn’t a top 10 ballot issue in the election. Democrats need to focus on the working class and the cost of living. Period. It’s the economy, stupid.
Conscious-Demand-594 on
The RepubliKKKans seem to be doing just fine supporting Israel.
Llarys on
Imo, the calculus is even more simple, and can be framed in a completely pragmatic way:
The Israeli state has repeatedly colluded with the Republican Party in order to sabotage the Democratic Party. Period. They have admitted to tanking the peace talks Biden was responsible for over and over with the express intent of making him appear weak and ineffectual as a leader on the world stage.
So it goes back to the age old question: why is the Democratic Party spending political capital propping up a heinous ethnostate that wants them to lose to the Republican Party forever more? The calculus for Republicans is easy to understand: Israel helps them achieve world political goals and the Republican constituency is full of people who have vested, theocratic reasons for wanting the Israeli state to succeed at all costs. Conversely, the Democratic Party is actively sabotaged by Israel on the world stage and their constituency is full of anti-war, anti-interventionist, anti-colonialist people with a more diverse, secular worldview.
There is no logical reason for them to support Israel, and in lieu of giving their reason, people will automatically assume grift and corruption.
haranaconda on
It’s not even just Democrats. Right and Left voters under 50 despise Israel.
gentlemantroglodyte on
They’ll either understand the assignment or they’ll be replaced by someone who does.
boomgoon on
Maybe educate US citizens about how bad Israel treats those of the chirtian faith, exact same way they treat Palestinians. Forced eviction using military, blocking them from public amenities, such as parks, schools, shopping. Publicly shaming them and attacking them. It’s pretty insane that most Americans have no idea this is happening. And the politicians in power now, know but lie and pretend it isn’t a thing at all. If you don’t practice Judiasm in Israel, you are treated like pure trash and non human
modernmann on
And it’s high time the public gets a front row seat to how and why the DNC has behaved because of Israel and the real nemesis AIPAC
deadballofdirt on
Remember, folks. The Democrat establishment would prefer another Republican term in office than go against Israel!
buried_lede on
Israel has had 60 years since 1967 to make peace with the Palestinians with the US ensuring its safety, funding its military, and covering up its atrocities throughout that process.
Israel treated that as permanent and instead of scrambling, and diligently working to create a middle east with the Palestinians where they could live in peace without constant existential risk and US help, they squandered 60 years of aid to terrorize these people, steal land, commit crimes, expand territory and lie about it, and then they turn to us and say: What? What’s wrong with that? Who are you to question us?
Now we’re getting the threats from Netanyahu and his people. Shut down speech and debate. Don’t publish things we don’t like, fire and blacklist people from their jobs, deport all arabs, cancel US medical missions from gaza
Biden’s antisemitism envoy too. She retweeted something seemingly supporting the execution of a NYT reporter and antizionists in general.
And his henchman, Ben G’vir, a maniac, just got the green light from the knesset to open what is feared will be nothing but a a killing factory dressed up as a large number of death penalty trials.
If you are a politician who can’t condition aid to prevent genocide and torture, you’re worthless.
If you can’t tell the number biggest killer of journalists in the world that they can’t come to the US to threaten journalists here too, you’re so worthless and compromised you should be investigated. Get out, just get out. RESIGN
To say the American people detest this, is an understatement. 70-percent of American jews are against it too. Make it clear we’ll kick out their embassy if they keep drumming up strife here. The whole country has had it with these thugs.
Go to the linked tweet. Read it. Take it seriously.
syynapt1k on
This is likely the biggest lesson of 2024 and why the campaign autopsy is being suppressed by the DNC.
nativedawg on
why is it a dem issue? I mean are the dems in power? Even if they all voted no to fund any Isreali funding bill the maggot wiil invent someway to go around bec remember the maggots control the house/sen/presid/judiciary. So, explain it to me again that it is a dem issue??
Temporary_Maybe11 on
That aipac money goes to democrats too
Jedi_I_am_not on
They know, they don’t care. Cause money
Pale-Let-5865 on
Democrats, crazy idea but maybe the left should be AGAINST imperial religious wars?
anythingfordopamine on
They fully grasp it, but they are compromised so refuse to abandon the position. They might nominally distance themselves from it. They might set themselves up to vote against it with their rotating villain of the week blocking success. But when push comes to shove they will do what they are paid to do.
We need leaders who are uncorrupted by private donors
NameltHunny on
It’s hard to get someone to understand when their income depends on not understanding
Frmr-drgnbyt on
Supporting an apartheid, genocidal regime (the Israeli government) is clearly wrong/evil. Sadly, all too many people cannot/will not separate the distaste for the Judo-Fascist Israeli government’s actions from actual anti-Semitism. They’re not the same thing, at all: Abhorring the genocidal actions of the IDF is NOT the same thing as “hating Jews.” (Or hating Arabs, who also speak a Semitic language.)
Frmr-drgnbyt on
Israel is an apartheid State. It’s time that everyone learned to separate religion from politics. (Hint: Politics are mostly immoral, often evil; Religion is ALWAYS evil.)
Metaphoricalsimile on
Idk to me it feels more like the DNC is happy to continue to lose as long as it keeps big donors, including AIPAC happy.
Possible_Ferret_ on
The United States has carried Isreal long enough. They need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and stop eating from the US gravy train.
Selarian_ on
Can I just ask something really simple. What about our fucking country? How about that? How about we focus on our fucking country instead of sucking other leaders fucking knobs. This is insane. Who the fuck cares. Israel is shit. It’s been shit. And we shouldn’t fucking he in Iran. It’s not hard. If you’re America first then fucking show it. Oh you’re not. That’s right. Gobble gobble.
Relevant-Magic-Card on
The problem is some very powerful Jewish people supported Democrats because of their unconditional support for isreal. Now that power is shifting because of the current climate.
canon12 on
Totally agree! Bernie nailed this months ago. Netanyahu has used arms purchased (maybe donated) from the U.S. to perform genocide and The Hague has orders for him to be brought to the Netherlands to face the crimes against humanity. Trump and Kushner are involved and need to be charged as traitors and face The Hague charges.
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>Democrats, then, who will publicly rage that the war on Iran endangers public welfare, costs taxpayers billions, and undermines long-term US “security” objectives, yet remain staunch allies of Israel committed to subsidizing its arms transfers, prove themselves incapable of recognizing their own political reality. **To say they have lost sight of their own constituencies, if not captured by Zionist PAC donor interests, would be an understatement.**
We have been fed lies for years about how Israel is such a great ally and protector of peace in the middle east. But the mask is fully off and we all see Israel for what it is, a genocidal regime. But AIPAC has many politicians bought and paid for and it is more obvious today than it has ever been.
Zionism is a disease of the mind and needs to end.
“It occurred to me that Israel had advanced beyond the Jim Crow South and segregated not just the pools and the fountains but the water itself.” Ta-Nehisi Coates – The Message
Democrats are mostly just Republicans lite at this point outside of the few progressives.
No more money for them !!!
Don’t think the Democrats are going to give up that sweet sweet donor money.
I just wasted ten minutes of my life looking at that poll the article cited. Whoever put it together is a halfwit
We’ve been scammed by a a stage show between republicans and democrats for a long time. They pretend to be political opposites but in fact they are one and the same. Owned by the billionaires, Epstein’s, and Israel.
When someone is paid to have a certain position, don’t expect them to budge from it easily.
Trust me, they know. But it’s too big a hit to their precious pocketbooks to acknowledge.
The Democrats got spooked after getting humiliated in 1984 and 1988, so the party over-corrected. The corporate [Blue Dogs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition) and the triangulating [Third Way](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way) centrists took over and have steadily moved the Dems to the right of their own voter base ever since.
We need a real opposition party in this country.
I don’t think GOP voters are to happy about them dragging us into their conflicts. I’m sure most don’t care about the apartheid thing but the having us contemplating boots on the ground in Iran while they don’t commit any ground troops is wildly unpopular across the American electorate.
The GOP is going to drag the US into a war on behalf of Israel and then turn around and be the party to benefit from it because they’ll say anything and stand for nothing other than themselves and corporate profits.
It was 25 years ago in college that I received my first ‘Free Palestine’ sticker from a political info booth at a college new semester event.
I had no idea what was going on back then, but since then, it’s second nature for me to condemn the atrocities committed by Israel, with full support of the US, against Palestine.
And as soon as I caught wind of AIPAC, I made sure to avoid voting for any AIPAC sponsored candidate. This came especially useful during a local election a few years ago and the AIPAC democratic candidate actually came to my door, with some aides, to introduce himself and try to gain my support. I already knew I wasn’t voting for him and I hope the look I gave them of “This is absolute bullshit” made them realize maybe Democrat voters weren’t the same mindless drones as MAGA.
He lost that election too.
We’ve been fed Israeli propaganda for so long
Oh they grasp it.
They know, but their donors are more important to them than their voters
Israel’s only relevance to the US is its effect on “Holy Land” Christian voting bloc. That’s basically it.
This Christian bloc that remains large, but has both been in decline and veering right out of swing status for decades now.
As Christians decline out of swing status there’s ever less incentive to put Israel up on a pedestal like the other voter induced special relationships (Ireland/Northern Ireland for Irish Americans, Cuba bullying for Cuban Americans.)
This has played out already with say, AOC or Bernie who are so secure they have little reason bothering to court Christians. Without putting Israel on some pedestal they have thereby called Israel out under **normal western standards.**
Another example is Obama who was secure enough to rarely bother with Israeli bs. In 2014 he responded to the conflict and Israeli attempts at escalation with public criticism of Israel. With no guarantee of US “unconditional support,” aka the US diplomatic umbrella, Israel backed dowm and ended the conflict within weeks. It was in far contrast to Biden’s “unconditional support, hug Israel close” response, or Trump who actively chases this declining Christian vote.
This is a distraction wedge issue. Gaza wasn’t a top 10 ballot issue in the election. Democrats need to focus on the working class and the cost of living. Period. It’s the economy, stupid.
The RepubliKKKans seem to be doing just fine supporting Israel.
Imo, the calculus is even more simple, and can be framed in a completely pragmatic way:
The Israeli state has repeatedly colluded with the Republican Party in order to sabotage the Democratic Party. Period. They have admitted to tanking the peace talks Biden was responsible for over and over with the express intent of making him appear weak and ineffectual as a leader on the world stage.
So it goes back to the age old question: why is the Democratic Party spending political capital propping up a heinous ethnostate that wants them to lose to the Republican Party forever more? The calculus for Republicans is easy to understand: Israel helps them achieve world political goals and the Republican constituency is full of people who have vested, theocratic reasons for wanting the Israeli state to succeed at all costs. Conversely, the Democratic Party is actively sabotaged by Israel on the world stage and their constituency is full of anti-war, anti-interventionist, anti-colonialist people with a more diverse, secular worldview.
There is no logical reason for them to support Israel, and in lieu of giving their reason, people will automatically assume grift and corruption.
It’s not even just Democrats. Right and Left voters under 50 despise Israel.
They’ll either understand the assignment or they’ll be replaced by someone who does.
Maybe educate US citizens about how bad Israel treats those of the chirtian faith, exact same way they treat Palestinians. Forced eviction using military, blocking them from public amenities, such as parks, schools, shopping. Publicly shaming them and attacking them. It’s pretty insane that most Americans have no idea this is happening. And the politicians in power now, know but lie and pretend it isn’t a thing at all. If you don’t practice Judiasm in Israel, you are treated like pure trash and non human
And it’s high time the public gets a front row seat to how and why the DNC has behaved because of Israel and the real nemesis AIPAC
Remember, folks. The Democrat establishment would prefer another Republican term in office than go against Israel!
Israel has had 60 years since 1967 to make peace with the Palestinians with the US ensuring its safety, funding its military, and covering up its atrocities throughout that process.
Israel treated that as permanent and instead of scrambling, and diligently working to create a middle east with the Palestinians where they could live in peace without constant existential risk and US help, they squandered 60 years of aid to terrorize these people, steal land, commit crimes, expand territory and lie about it, and then they turn to us and say: What? What’s wrong with that? Who are you to question us?
Now we’re getting the threats from Netanyahu and his people. Shut down speech and debate. Don’t publish things we don’t like, fire and blacklist people from their jobs, deport all arabs, cancel US medical missions from gaza
Biden’s antisemitism envoy too. She retweeted something seemingly supporting the execution of a NYT reporter and antizionists in general.
https://x.com/deborahlipstadt/status/2053891088801202441?s=20
And his henchman, Ben G’vir, a maniac, just got the green light from the knesset to open what is feared will be nothing but a a killing factory dressed up as a large number of death penalty trials.
If you are a politician who can’t condition aid to prevent genocide and torture, you’re worthless.
If you can’t tell the number biggest killer of journalists in the world that they can’t come to the US to threaten journalists here too, you’re so worthless and compromised you should be investigated. Get out, just get out. RESIGN
To say the American people detest this, is an understatement. 70-percent of American jews are against it too. Make it clear we’ll kick out their embassy if they keep drumming up strife here. The whole country has had it with these thugs.
Go to the linked tweet. Read it. Take it seriously.
This is likely the biggest lesson of 2024 and why the campaign autopsy is being suppressed by the DNC.
why is it a dem issue? I mean are the dems in power? Even if they all voted no to fund any Isreali funding bill the maggot wiil invent someway to go around bec remember the maggots control the house/sen/presid/judiciary. So, explain it to me again that it is a dem issue??
That aipac money goes to democrats too
They know, they don’t care. Cause money
Democrats, crazy idea but maybe the left should be AGAINST imperial religious wars?
They fully grasp it, but they are compromised so refuse to abandon the position. They might nominally distance themselves from it. They might set themselves up to vote against it with their rotating villain of the week blocking success. But when push comes to shove they will do what they are paid to do.
We need leaders who are uncorrupted by private donors
It’s hard to get someone to understand when their income depends on not understanding
Supporting an apartheid, genocidal regime (the Israeli government) is clearly wrong/evil. Sadly, all too many people cannot/will not separate the distaste for the Judo-Fascist Israeli government’s actions from actual anti-Semitism. They’re not the same thing, at all: Abhorring the genocidal actions of the IDF is NOT the same thing as “hating Jews.” (Or hating Arabs, who also speak a Semitic language.)
Israel is an apartheid State. It’s time that everyone learned to separate religion from politics. (Hint: Politics are mostly immoral, often evil; Religion is ALWAYS evil.)
Idk to me it feels more like the DNC is happy to continue to lose as long as it keeps big donors, including AIPAC happy.
The United States has carried Isreal long enough. They need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and stop eating from the US gravy train.
Can I just ask something really simple. What about our fucking country? How about that? How about we focus on our fucking country instead of sucking other leaders fucking knobs. This is insane. Who the fuck cares. Israel is shit. It’s been shit. And we shouldn’t fucking he in Iran. It’s not hard. If you’re America first then fucking show it. Oh you’re not. That’s right. Gobble gobble.
The problem is some very powerful Jewish people supported Democrats because of their unconditional support for isreal. Now that power is shifting because of the current climate.
Totally agree! Bernie nailed this months ago. Netanyahu has used arms purchased (maybe donated) from the U.S. to perform genocide and The Hague has orders for him to be brought to the Netherlands to face the crimes against humanity. Trump and Kushner are involved and need to be charged as traitors and face The Hague charges.