Much like Trudeau before him, Carney deals in corporate greenwash that sounds like Greenpeace to the right and Exxon to the left.
BodyYogurt on
He told you to take down the sign & pretending was over. Did anyone think the central banker was going to be anything but this?
MTL_Dude666 on
I don’t think Canadians voted for Mark Carney because of his previous work on climate change, but much more because of his finance credentials at the national level. I did championed climate finance before, but just like the concept of recycling in developing countries, when you have in a crisis, priorities are different.
Also, a lot of climate talks have been very lofty and idealistic and yet, it didn’t do much in practice. Carney is a pragmatist and he knows that you can’t “impose” climate actions on a population that doesn’t really wants it. Most Canadians have demonstrated that they like the idea of working on climate change, but not really actually doing it (people love their SUVs, people dislike carbon taxes, people waste water to clean their driveway, people complain about the price of electricity when it is quite cheap in Canada compared to Europe).
Carney works on climate at the speed that Canadians what him to, which right now is in first gear only compared to other priorities.
Any climate action not palatable to the population at large is doomed to fail and is potentially political suicide. China developed the largest renewable energy capacity in the world exactly because it is not a democracy and doesn’t to ask the population if it wants it or not.
Former-Physics-1831 on
He recognizes the moment we’re in. But things like fighting for the industrial carbon tax, re-instituting EV rebates, and pushing to fully decarbonize our electrical grid *are* wins
I don’t know if the blowback was inevitable or just a result of Trudeau bungling it, but the economy matters more to Canadians than the environment right now – and you can see that in his polling
agaric on
Who thought Carney wasnt conservative? The guy was a banker all his life, his entire career before office (which was as PM, day one) was to cater to the rich. You think hes going to be anything but a right winger and do anything good for normal people?!
Big-Hospital9291 on
Be honest with trump and economic issues carney likely can get away with it…
Also many felt the previous govt ignored economic issues and fixated itself on an environmental policy that they couldn’t understand or didnt believe actually works (carbon tax).
I been thinking since 2015 it was likely been way better off to focus solely on direct results like sensible regulations or subsides for green tech….we likely be way better off.
Simple thing like a focus on hybrids thrn just evs and I bet most cars in canada been at least hybrids by now
That’s fine with me. It’s not high up on my priority list right now. I voted for him because I wanted stuff to get built and to not have constant culture wars.
travisjudegrant on
He’s a pragmatist. Climate platforms lose elections to rising authoritarian populism and divides people. Our sovereignty is under attack and for once Canada is unifying around a common cause. He sees this, and he knows that strengthening this bond lies in building our economic strength. You only have the privilege of aspiring to lofty climate goals if you’re independent, self-reliant and sovereign. So for all the people saying he’s not who he claimed to be, go pound sand.
Sn0H0ar on
He’s exactly as “climate guy” as I thought, that is, he’s a pragmatist who does climate guy stuff when it’s convenient and/or profitable and doesn’t when it’s not.
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Much like Trudeau before him, Carney deals in corporate greenwash that sounds like Greenpeace to the right and Exxon to the left.
He told you to take down the sign & pretending was over. Did anyone think the central banker was going to be anything but this?
I don’t think Canadians voted for Mark Carney because of his previous work on climate change, but much more because of his finance credentials at the national level. I did championed climate finance before, but just like the concept of recycling in developing countries, when you have in a crisis, priorities are different.
Also, a lot of climate talks have been very lofty and idealistic and yet, it didn’t do much in practice. Carney is a pragmatist and he knows that you can’t “impose” climate actions on a population that doesn’t really wants it. Most Canadians have demonstrated that they like the idea of working on climate change, but not really actually doing it (people love their SUVs, people dislike carbon taxes, people waste water to clean their driveway, people complain about the price of electricity when it is quite cheap in Canada compared to Europe).
Carney works on climate at the speed that Canadians what him to, which right now is in first gear only compared to other priorities.
Any climate action not palatable to the population at large is doomed to fail and is potentially political suicide. China developed the largest renewable energy capacity in the world exactly because it is not a democracy and doesn’t to ask the population if it wants it or not.
He recognizes the moment we’re in. But things like fighting for the industrial carbon tax, re-instituting EV rebates, and pushing to fully decarbonize our electrical grid *are* wins
I don’t know if the blowback was inevitable or just a result of Trudeau bungling it, but the economy matters more to Canadians than the environment right now – and you can see that in his polling
Who thought Carney wasnt conservative? The guy was a banker all his life, his entire career before office (which was as PM, day one) was to cater to the rich. You think hes going to be anything but a right winger and do anything good for normal people?!
Be honest with trump and economic issues carney likely can get away with it…
Also many felt the previous govt ignored economic issues and fixated itself on an environmental policy that they couldn’t understand or didnt believe actually works (carbon tax).
I been thinking since 2015 it was likely been way better off to focus solely on direct results like sensible regulations or subsides for green tech….we likely be way better off.
Simple thing like a focus on hybrids thrn just evs and I bet most cars in canada been at least hybrids by now
Carney’s been PM for a bit over a year and we’re seeing that he’s just another neoliberal. Trudeau was in office a little over a year before he broke [his electoral reform promise](https://globalnews.ca/news/3102270/justin-trudeau-liberals-electoral-reform-changing-promises/). For Liberals, progressive politics are just decorative flourishes in campaign speeches.
That’s fine with me. It’s not high up on my priority list right now. I voted for him because I wanted stuff to get built and to not have constant culture wars.
He’s a pragmatist. Climate platforms lose elections to rising authoritarian populism and divides people. Our sovereignty is under attack and for once Canada is unifying around a common cause. He sees this, and he knows that strengthening this bond lies in building our economic strength. You only have the privilege of aspiring to lofty climate goals if you’re independent, self-reliant and sovereign. So for all the people saying he’s not who he claimed to be, go pound sand.
He’s exactly as “climate guy” as I thought, that is, he’s a pragmatist who does climate guy stuff when it’s convenient and/or profitable and doesn’t when it’s not.