Ignoring the complexity around this, Ukraine IS now a security provider, and they bring a lot to the table.
LayneCobain95 on
Yes, Ukraine should be in NATO
SuperRektT on
I heard this for 4+ years, the thing is that it’s very easy to say but then do nothing (politicians)
And then we have TACO 🌮
ExpressLab6564 on
We can invite them when nato ver 2 without the US begins. Nato is going to be in trouble when trunp invades a nato memberÂ
JimTheSaint on
DefinitelyÂ
IIllIllIlllIIIl on
Nato should be in Ukraine
Also Ukraine’s combat experience has great value for Nato
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herbieLmao on
Yes it should, but is it really necessary? Of they join the EU, won’t they have defense pacts with all members?
StayCoolf0rttheKids on
You should first ask Ukraine if it is willing to join this wonky alliance, as it is the nato who needs Ukraine not other way round
Next_Science_1242 on
I really hate to say this but for me it appears some people only want this to happen so that they can relieve own efforts again and push defense and deterrence efforts immediately to Ulkraine.
Shot-Toe-2884 on
NATO should be in Ukraine.
Antagonist007 on
After the war is over. Obviously not now.
Fit-Helicopter-9240 on
This is a terrible idea, the invasion itself is indirectly NATO’s fault.
We don’t want to make things worse
lacerantplainer on
The biggest battle tested army in the west with the most innovative solutions to being attacked and fighting NATO’s war….it’s a no brainer.
_Xee on
Because god forbid they fought us.
ChiefStrongbones on
Putin invaded Ukraine because it looked like Ukraine was about to join NATO.
Ben_C17 on
The Czech military chief isn’t wrong on merit. Ukraine’s proven combat capability and intelligence-sharing value are obvious. The problem is procedural, and it’s been the same problem for eighteen months: NATO’s Article 10 requires candidates to resolve territorial disputes before joining, and there’s a longstanding (though not written) standard against admitting countries in active conflict.
The gap between Eastern European NATO members pushing for Ukrainian membership and Western European hesitation isn’t about Ukraine’s value. It’s about what happens the morning after membership if Russian forces are still in Donetsk. Does Article 5 trigger immediately? Does NATO inherit an active war? The alliance hasn’t resolved that, and Germany in particular has been explicit about not wanting to find out.
What we’ve been tracking at panopsik.com is the shift in these statements over time. Czech, Polish, and Baltic voices are getting louder and more specific about mechanisms suggesting either a frozen conflict model or a phased-accession approach. But until someone answers the Article 5 question in a way that doesn’t split the alliance, these calls remain aspirational.
ahernandez50 on
Better in NATO than as a russian puppet. They have so much experience, that you don’t want them to fall for the other side.
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Ignoring the complexity around this, Ukraine IS now a security provider, and they bring a lot to the table.
Yes, Ukraine should be in NATO
I heard this for 4+ years, the thing is that it’s very easy to say but then do nothing (politicians)
And then we have TACO 🌮
We can invite them when nato ver 2 without the US begins. Nato is going to be in trouble when trunp invades a nato memberÂ
DefinitelyÂ
Nato should be in Ukraine
Also Ukraine’s combat experience has great value for Nato
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Yes it should, but is it really necessary? Of they join the EU, won’t they have defense pacts with all members?
You should first ask Ukraine if it is willing to join this wonky alliance, as it is the nato who needs Ukraine not other way round
I really hate to say this but for me it appears some people only want this to happen so that they can relieve own efforts again and push defense and deterrence efforts immediately to Ulkraine.
NATO should be in Ukraine.
After the war is over. Obviously not now.
This is a terrible idea, the invasion itself is indirectly NATO’s fault.
We don’t want to make things worse
The biggest battle tested army in the west with the most innovative solutions to being attacked and fighting NATO’s war….it’s a no brainer.
Because god forbid they fought us.
Putin invaded Ukraine because it looked like Ukraine was about to join NATO.
The Czech military chief isn’t wrong on merit. Ukraine’s proven combat capability and intelligence-sharing value are obvious. The problem is procedural, and it’s been the same problem for eighteen months: NATO’s Article 10 requires candidates to resolve territorial disputes before joining, and there’s a longstanding (though not written) standard against admitting countries in active conflict.
The gap between Eastern European NATO members pushing for Ukrainian membership and Western European hesitation isn’t about Ukraine’s value. It’s about what happens the morning after membership if Russian forces are still in Donetsk. Does Article 5 trigger immediately? Does NATO inherit an active war? The alliance hasn’t resolved that, and Germany in particular has been explicit about not wanting to find out.
What we’ve been tracking at panopsik.com is the shift in these statements over time. Czech, Polish, and Baltic voices are getting louder and more specific about mechanisms suggesting either a frozen conflict model or a phased-accession approach. But until someone answers the Article 5 question in a way that doesn’t split the alliance, these calls remain aspirational.
Better in NATO than as a russian puppet. They have so much experience, that you don’t want them to fall for the other side.
“Make it so.” — famous saying