I that hear if you type Lucious Fox into the system it destroys itself
XiuOtr on
Poor Edward Snowden. He warned many about all this data collection.
swollennode on
Yeah we know there are a lot of research being done with this. This require the WiFi router to have the firmware necessary for mass adoption. This is probably why the FCC was banning routers and allowing others to go through.
swollennode on
Yeah we know there are a lot of research being done with this. This require the WiFi router to have the firmware necessary for mass adoption. This is probably why the FCC was banning routers and allowing others to go through.
GetsBetterAfterAFew on
So turn you cell phone and home wifi off… nope neighbors wifi still has enough signal to identify you.
The idea the CIA or other government agency not knowing this ages ago is low, not a conspiracy guy but no way this wasn’t known before now.
RockaBabyDarling on
Just going to drop this here for anyone that doubts (popular open source project)
> RuView turns commodity WiFi signals into real-time spatial intelligence, vital sign monitoring, and presence detection — all without a single pixel of video.
nightputting on
So Batman tech from the dark night? Cool
DeliciousDave4321 on
I wonder if starlink can do this?
Coldsmoke888 on
You’d likely not be surprised to learn that high density WiFi installs in big box retailers already use tech like this.
If you see an AP every 250m2 or less, you can do some wild things.
Bainik on
This is super unsurprising. There have been proof of concept level papers about using wifi hotspots for keystroke detection on nearby keyboards for a decade or so. The jump from there to here seems extremely small.
pharmloverpharmlover on
Wifi is for suckers
Ethernet for phones and iPads…
#🛜🛡️🙃🔌📱
kid_blue96 on
Was this in the Batman movie? Lol
AzerothianLorecraft on
They showed this in one of the Batman movies like what? 15 years ago… this is not surprising technology.
shoegazeweedbed on
This concept is not new, I remember people bullshitting about similar technology on something awful as far back as like 2004, maybe earlier
Edit: in fact I remember watching TDK in theaters and thinking “oh he got that plot from the internet”
The-IT_MD on
I was given a demo of this by BT at their research park near Ipswich, UK. I was with a group of others. Everyone in the group voiced their concerns, no one was impressed. The BT guy seemed a bit shocked.
prunk on
We need some kind of jamming signal then. I’d particularly like one for the bedroom… and one for the bathroom too.
TomKansasCity on
Who cares. If somebody really wants to watch me pick my nose or see me washing my ass crack in the shower, then enjoy the show, lol.
Seriously though, do not let stuff like this consume your mind. As an adult, you have to learn how to filter noise out of your life just like everything else.
Sensationalized news and constant outrage only add stress, anxiety, and distraction. It is the same thing with politics and a lot of online drama. Most of it is completely outside your control, and realistically, you are not going to personally change any of it.
Focus on your own life instead. Focus on your peace, your comfort, your health, your bills, your family, your hobbies, and the people actually around you. Learn to filter out the endless noise and protect your attention, because that is one of the few things you actually do control.
barrel-boy on
I wonder if it can identify if someone dies in their home…alone
BullBear7 on
Can identify people but not the person, right? Saw a demo of this. Its like an xray or infrared imaging, can make out objects, shapes, etc. I mean, if you turned it on in my house, you can assume its me.
jackiekeracky on
And yet Reddit still can’t identify when people post the same story in the same place over and over and over again
SoggyFist on
With all the shit on my desk? Nah
firedrakes on
repost story i see of a older paper already proven btw
RealWeekend3292 on
let’s hope only the “good” guys are using this…
Jiehfeng on
>Devices on a wireless network regularly send feedback data known as beamforming feedback information (BFI) to the router. Because this information is transmitted without encryption, anyone within range can potentially read it.
Soo… encrypt it? Seems like it shouldn’t be much of a problem?
airwalker08 on
Looks like I need a tinfoil suit to go with my hat
Kristophigus on
Companies cant even afford to have real people on their support lines or email systems.
If you think actual people are looking at any of this, I have a bridge to sell you..
TCTCTCTCTCTC7 on
The story would be more believable if it were internally consistent.
>”Thus, it does not matter whether you carry a WiFi device on you or not.”
>Devices on a wireless network regularly send feedback data known as beamforming feedback information (BFI) to the router. Because this information is transmitted without encryption, anyone within range can potentially read it. Researchers say these signal reflections can effectively create multiple “views” of a person, allowing AI systems to learn and recognize individual identities.
>Turning off your smartphone is not enough to avoid detection. According to the researchers, nearby wireless devices connected to the network still generate enough signal activity for the system to work.
If the technique depends on “nearby” devices on that network, then turning off those devices will precisely counteract the attempt.
Also, if one reads the actual study, one finds it to be much less impressive than the breathless reporting would have one believe.
>To allow for an unobstructed gait recording, participants were instructed not to wear any baggy clothes, skirts, dresses or heeled shoes.
[https://dl.acm.org/doi/epdf/10.1145/3719027.3765062](https://dl.acm.org/doi/epdf/10.1145/3719027.3765062)
thenamelessone7 on
This article is retarded. Beamforming on your wifi router works on the principle of it knowing very accurately where the client device is
LordCommando on
Gotham figured this out years ago
FangornLeghorn on
So literally what Batman did in Dark Knight that caused Morgan Freeman to quit. Cool cool cool.
Wellsy on
It sounds like a chilling description… but there’s zero demonstration attached to this. Run some live streams of examples of how this is assembled and accomplished. Until then, this is just science fiction fear dropping.
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So they know where you sleep ?
I that hear if you type Lucious Fox into the system it destroys itself
Poor Edward Snowden. He warned many about all this data collection.
Yeah we know there are a lot of research being done with this. This require the WiFi router to have the firmware necessary for mass adoption. This is probably why the FCC was banning routers and allowing others to go through.
Yeah we know there are a lot of research being done with this. This require the WiFi router to have the firmware necessary for mass adoption. This is probably why the FCC was banning routers and allowing others to go through.
So turn you cell phone and home wifi off… nope neighbors wifi still has enough signal to identify you.
The idea the CIA or other government agency not knowing this ages ago is low, not a conspiracy guy but no way this wasn’t known before now.
Just going to drop this here for anyone that doubts (popular open source project)
https://github.com/ruvnet/RuView
> RuView turns commodity WiFi signals into real-time spatial intelligence, vital sign monitoring, and presence detection — all without a single pixel of video.
So Batman tech from the dark night? Cool
I wonder if starlink can do this?
You’d likely not be surprised to learn that high density WiFi installs in big box retailers already use tech like this.
If you see an AP every 250m2 or less, you can do some wild things.
This is super unsurprising. There have been proof of concept level papers about using wifi hotspots for keystroke detection on nearby keyboards for a decade or so. The jump from there to here seems extremely small.
Wifi is for suckers
Ethernet for phones and iPads…
#🛜🛡️🙃🔌📱
Was this in the Batman movie? Lol
They showed this in one of the Batman movies like what? 15 years ago… this is not surprising technology.
This concept is not new, I remember people bullshitting about similar technology on something awful as far back as like 2004, maybe earlier
Edit: in fact I remember watching TDK in theaters and thinking “oh he got that plot from the internet”
I was given a demo of this by BT at their research park near Ipswich, UK. I was with a group of others. Everyone in the group voiced their concerns, no one was impressed. The BT guy seemed a bit shocked.
We need some kind of jamming signal then. I’d particularly like one for the bedroom… and one for the bathroom too.
Who cares. If somebody really wants to watch me pick my nose or see me washing my ass crack in the shower, then enjoy the show, lol.
Seriously though, do not let stuff like this consume your mind. As an adult, you have to learn how to filter noise out of your life just like everything else.
Sensationalized news and constant outrage only add stress, anxiety, and distraction. It is the same thing with politics and a lot of online drama. Most of it is completely outside your control, and realistically, you are not going to personally change any of it.
Focus on your own life instead. Focus on your peace, your comfort, your health, your bills, your family, your hobbies, and the people actually around you. Learn to filter out the endless noise and protect your attention, because that is one of the few things you actually do control.
I wonder if it can identify if someone dies in their home…alone
Can identify people but not the person, right? Saw a demo of this. Its like an xray or infrared imaging, can make out objects, shapes, etc. I mean, if you turned it on in my house, you can assume its me.
And yet Reddit still can’t identify when people post the same story in the same place over and over and over again
With all the shit on my desk? Nah
repost story i see of a older paper already proven btw
let’s hope only the “good” guys are using this…
>Devices on a wireless network regularly send feedback data known as beamforming feedback information (BFI) to the router. Because this information is transmitted without encryption, anyone within range can potentially read it.
Soo… encrypt it? Seems like it shouldn’t be much of a problem?
Looks like I need a tinfoil suit to go with my hat
Companies cant even afford to have real people on their support lines or email systems.
If you think actual people are looking at any of this, I have a bridge to sell you..
The story would be more believable if it were internally consistent.
>”Thus, it does not matter whether you carry a WiFi device on you or not.”
>Devices on a wireless network regularly send feedback data known as beamforming feedback information (BFI) to the router. Because this information is transmitted without encryption, anyone within range can potentially read it. Researchers say these signal reflections can effectively create multiple “views” of a person, allowing AI systems to learn and recognize individual identities.
>Turning off your smartphone is not enough to avoid detection. According to the researchers, nearby wireless devices connected to the network still generate enough signal activity for the system to work.
If the technique depends on “nearby” devices on that network, then turning off those devices will precisely counteract the attempt.
Also, if one reads the actual study, one finds it to be much less impressive than the breathless reporting would have one believe.
>To allow for an unobstructed gait recording, participants were instructed not to wear any baggy clothes, skirts, dresses or heeled shoes.
[https://dl.acm.org/doi/epdf/10.1145/3719027.3765062](https://dl.acm.org/doi/epdf/10.1145/3719027.3765062)
This article is retarded. Beamforming on your wifi router works on the principle of it knowing very accurately where the client device is
Gotham figured this out years ago
So literally what Batman did in Dark Knight that caused Morgan Freeman to quit. Cool cool cool.
It sounds like a chilling description… but there’s zero demonstration attached to this. Run some live streams of examples of how this is assembled and accomplished. Until then, this is just science fiction fear dropping.