Didn’t take long to go back to pretending the Clarity Act can actually solve these issues, a few hours after admitting it’s totally feckless in the face of a confounding separatist question that Danielle Smith just made up out of whole cloth.
TheWaySheHoes on
I do kind of agree that referendums to so deeply change the status quo should have a higher threshold to succeed.
In any event, in Alberta they are already howling about how unfair it is that Calgary and Edmonton can squash rural voices since they are “such a tiny part of Alberta and not *real* Alberta (wink wink)” and we again have to remind them that land doesn’t vote, people do.
Ditto Quebec re: Montreal and the Outaouais.
Fletcher_Fallowfield on
Easy enough to say. I wouldn’t bet the farm on any current politician having the stomach to prevent a region that voted 50+1 to leave from doing so. Especially if some other power took it upon themselves to recognize said region’s sovereignty
london_user_90 on
Same should got for privatizing public assets, too. It’s genuinely disgraceful politicians can decide to axe our assets without any mandate.
samjp910 on
As an Ontarian, it just seems like so much political glad-handing. If you’re a federalist, say so. A sovereigntist, vote so. Simple majority referenda are an inefficient and overall not very effective political tool the world over and have been used to justify overreaching by governments, and not doing enough by governments who just want to blame Ottawa.
That being said, 51% isn’t enough for me. Not if millions of people are going to disagree. People don’t talk about the high likelihood of migration if one of these things ever actually went through, and the need for foreign immigration that will be born in spite of these sovereigntists often being motivated nationalism and racism. That’s not to say there aren’t real grievances being solved by the Bloc and sovereigntism, but let’s be clear about what exactly we’re talking about.
Effective-Clue6205 on
So, what is enough to break up Canada? Can Carney say the number he have in his mind before the process?
You can’t complain about the question not being clear enough when you hide the rules like that.
Ember_42 on
The threshold should be 50%+1 of eligible voters vote for it. Not 50%+1 of those who happened to vote.
Yes, this makes ‘no’ votes less important, but a majority of ‘no’s helps put the question to bed for a generation or so…
Motorbarge on
Why would the division of the country be based on provincial borders and not the area in which the residents want to leave. For example, why would a rural vote be able to force residents in a city to be part of a different country? If Canada can be divided, so can the provinces.
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Didn’t take long to go back to pretending the Clarity Act can actually solve these issues, a few hours after admitting it’s totally feckless in the face of a confounding separatist question that Danielle Smith just made up out of whole cloth.
I do kind of agree that referendums to so deeply change the status quo should have a higher threshold to succeed.
In any event, in Alberta they are already howling about how unfair it is that Calgary and Edmonton can squash rural voices since they are “such a tiny part of Alberta and not *real* Alberta (wink wink)” and we again have to remind them that land doesn’t vote, people do.
Ditto Quebec re: Montreal and the Outaouais.
Easy enough to say. I wouldn’t bet the farm on any current politician having the stomach to prevent a region that voted 50+1 to leave from doing so. Especially if some other power took it upon themselves to recognize said region’s sovereignty
Same should got for privatizing public assets, too. It’s genuinely disgraceful politicians can decide to axe our assets without any mandate.
As an Ontarian, it just seems like so much political glad-handing. If you’re a federalist, say so. A sovereigntist, vote so. Simple majority referenda are an inefficient and overall not very effective political tool the world over and have been used to justify overreaching by governments, and not doing enough by governments who just want to blame Ottawa.
That being said, 51% isn’t enough for me. Not if millions of people are going to disagree. People don’t talk about the high likelihood of migration if one of these things ever actually went through, and the need for foreign immigration that will be born in spite of these sovereigntists often being motivated nationalism and racism. That’s not to say there aren’t real grievances being solved by the Bloc and sovereigntism, but let’s be clear about what exactly we’re talking about.
So, what is enough to break up Canada? Can Carney say the number he have in his mind before the process?
You can’t complain about the question not being clear enough when you hide the rules like that.
The threshold should be 50%+1 of eligible voters vote for it. Not 50%+1 of those who happened to vote.
Yes, this makes ‘no’ votes less important, but a majority of ‘no’s helps put the question to bed for a generation or so…
Why would the division of the country be based on provincial borders and not the area in which the residents want to leave. For example, why would a rural vote be able to force residents in a city to be part of a different country? If Canada can be divided, so can the provinces.