Farage does not want ‘Tory poison’ in his party as he plans for Reform to replace Conservatives
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/farage-reform-tories-power-plan-b2575256.html
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Farage does not want ‘Tory poison’ in his party as he plans for Reform to replace Conservatives
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/farage-reform-tories-power-plan-b2575256.html
Posted by masterblaster0
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I bet he’d hate to see a load of corrupt, incompetent culture warriors join up.
If Farage gets into the Tories, their voters will think it brings Truss-style amateurism. If Tories join Reform, their voters will think it brings mass-migration neoliberalism.
They probably are better apart. But they can’t both survive under FPTP.
I don’t think reform can survive without Farage. This is the main hurdle he needs to get if he wants them to actually replace the conservative party.
I’d be interested to see what farage does if Labour were to reduce immigration numbers substantially over the next few years, that’s literally all he has.
Reform is what happens when you cut the tumour out, but then the tumour forms a polticial party.
It’s becoming very clear that Farage essentially gave the election to Starmer by standing in every seat, if you tot up reform and Tory votes, they’ve nearly always got enough to take out Labour. What happens now is up to the media, if we keep talking about small boats, if the tories are ‘in turmoil’ as the opposition, he’s got a big chance to really expand in the next GE. Farage manged to get us out of the EU just by threatening to split the right wing vote, he’s proven he can do it and ultimately, that power is his to do with as he pleases.
On the other hand, if the press decide that everything Starmer touches is gold, Farage has an uphill battle. They do love reporting on him and he is always given the benefit of the doubt. But I think it’s going to be difficult to beat pictures of Starmer pretending to open new wings of hospitals and launching like, one or two boats for the navy. There’s going to be a lot of focus on Starmer being sensible and Farage really feels stuck in the stunts based age of politics, as much as he wants to be a guy in a suit.
It was surprising to see Tory MP’s talk openly of being ‘the natural party of power’ on the BBC election night programming, some real quite part loud stuff. I wonder if they’ll falling into the Labour trap of just taking your core voters forgranted, while Farage eats their lunch by simply offering them something concrete.
We clearly need electoral reform and that seems like an impossible battle, if you want something from the government, a single issue spoiler party is clearly currently the way to go.
Well when the election started and even before Reform were languishing 5th/6th in the polls
Then after Farage joined back in with very little prepping and joining the race late in then game they rose in the polls overtaking the Tories to second place, even after the C4 documentary which showed them in a less than desirable light it barely dented their poll lead over the Tories, Lib Dem and Greens, the to come third in the popular vote, narrow second place in both Tory and Labour constituencies, and five seats with 4.5 million votes, more than trebled their vote share from 2019.
I think Reform can expect to do well in the next five’s years, Reform can do what other fringe parties cannot do, appeal to both the Northern Red Wall working class votes and the middle class Southern Home Counties blue wall.
Its very clear that Farage has ambitions to destroy the Tory party, and he’ll position himself to do the same to Labour if they fail on immigration
Contrast that with Galloway’s workers party, who joined at a similar time as Farage, he won one by election on a single issue from a demographic to having no seats.
Reform wouldn’t be this popular if successive Tory and Labour governments dealt with immigration.
Reform are obviously nowhere near being the official opposition.
But they are now the main challenger in over 100 seats. Most of these are Labour seats.
They may have extracted as many voters from the Tories as possible, and some of those may return to the Tory party fold. Alternatively, being the challenger in those seats may see the Tory party collapse even further in these areas come the next election. If that happens, and they can take *some* of the Labour vote, then there is a path to electoral success for them.
This all depends on three things:
1. The Tory party being unable to revive itself in these areas
2. Being able to attract Labour voters
3. Successfully turning themselves from a one-man-band in to a proper party
I think 1 and 2 are possible for them. 3 will be much harder.
In my view, they are nothing without Farage. But I don’t think he’s shown the commitment and hard work needed to actually build a party. If he can do that, I think they have every potential to become a serious electoral force. If he can’t, they’re done for. So, really, it all depends on him.
How long before all of the cafes in and around Whitehall are asked to stop selling milkshake?
He will absolutely take any sitting MP who switches to his party.
I think both Reform and Tories are going to be shocked how hard it will be for them to survive with so little funding in the next 5 years. All major businesses will be donating to labour to influence policy, nobody will waste their money on two parties that have no perspective to be anywhere near power any time soon. And unlike Labour who always had the trade unions funding even in opposition, these guys have nothing. Maybe Baron Siberia will throw Nige a few quid but I reckon he is being pressed more for it by his collapsing motherland.
This is the same Farage before he got elected. Talking BS and doing nothing, exactly what he’ll do over the next few months.
Yeah, don’t want that Tory poison mixing with the Farage poison.
“I don’t want your poison to dilute my ultra poison”
So he’s going to kick Lee Anderson the ex Tory and ex Labour right??? Right??? Oh yeh he’s full of shit as usual.
>Corrupt man in the pocket of Russia tries to posture about being not corrupt
Reform got 4 seats. They are irrelevant. Stop giving this idiot attention. He doesn’t have a ‘party’ he has a collection of misguided failed candidates. The media need to sort their shit out and start giving the Green Party the same amount of attention matching the same number of seats if they carry on with this. Popularising this idiots misguided ranting is seriously dangerous for the U.K’s future.
Farrage has more than enough poison in his party as it is. He doesn’t need it diluting.
isn’t Reform just the Tory scrapings anyway? Where else will he recruit from?
Interesting, as most of his supporters are disaffected tories.
Good luck to Farage, especially if he continues to split the right wing vote.
It’s like a poisonous scorpion complaining about being bitten by a venomous snake.
I don’t want either in my office.
When I read the headline I thought he was referring to Lee Anderson.
Bold prediction: within this Labour government, Jess Phillips is fired for being too outspoken and then joins Reform.
I genuinely hope this doesn’t happen and Farage gains no future ground whatsoever.
I really want a better system than FPTP and feel so sad that *this* is the most popular guy calling for it.
They’ve just got a councillor in Withernsea – this is their next move.
His entire party is poison. And he’s the most poisonous of all.
I know many people probably wont think this but i think Farage is probably shitting bricks. Now he is a MP he is going to be under a microscope just like trump was.
I fully expect him to do his best to fly under the radar and not become any bigger than the party already is because the last thing he wants is a lot of very pissed off rich people coming at him.
Why did he accept Lee Anderson and let him stand as a candidate then?
This sounds eerily like the MAGA playbook! Trump and Farage are good buddies after all.
Farage, like Trump seems to get an excessive amount of time on TV compared to other politicians. If GB news and other media keep pumping his rhetoric (like fox do in the USA for trump) the UK could be looking at something like a Uk version of “project 2025” in 10 years time
I feel a lot of the more centre right Tory voters the cameronesque lot wouldn’t switch to voting for a political party run by the sorts of people they’ve had to put up with inside the conservative party thats lead them to such a shit position. There’s really only so many Loud mouth loving right wingers about.
If he is going up against the Conservatives, then that means that they are tribbing
Reform is to Conservatives
As Gollum is to Sméagol
Gollum is untrustworthy, unpleasant, scheming.
Sméagol driven by his base impulses actually killed a guy.
Farage loves to talk big but when it comes to actually doing shit, he prefers to fuck off. See his behaviour in UKIP and when he was an MEP.
We know his motive is to drag the Tories further and further to the right.
Stop speaking to this clown, where are the interviews with the Green Party??
I’d love to see his first few MP constituency surgeries. They will probably be just him either talking over everyone or shouting “boring” when anyone is complaining about something.
He’ll disappear by the time the next election comes along. He’s lazy won’t want to do any MP constituency work and has no power due to the labour majority
Corbyn would probably love to do the same thing from the other side.
With 5 seats he hopefully can’t do too much damage.
5 seats! I’m still laughing.
The 1922 committee replaced with the 2020 committee?