Trump encouraged Putin, now enjoys the shitshow and blames everyone else.
Basic narcissistic traumatiser playbook pattern.
steepleton on
the worry is that america may need to have another term of the right wingers and hit rock bottom , like we did, to finally get rid of the clowns.
it’s going to be a time when europe needs to shape up and do without america, and britain hopefully will understand europe is where it’s best interests lie
Fred_Blogs on
We can’t really expect the Americans to care more about a European war than Europe does, especially if they elect an openly isolationist president.
If Ukraine is going to keep fighting the war, Europe will need to step up military production and arm them. Which we should really should have spent the last 2 years preparing to do.
UKLimitTester on
This is long needed Tbf. Europe has been so pathetic on defense that a kick up the bum is needed.
Very few countries have actually met their nato obligations in the past. And some still aren’t even 2 years after Russia invaded a European neighbour.
judochop1 on
It’s the USs problem too. A destabilised Europe impacts USA as well.
It also means Europe turning away from USA for security, not buying US defence products as much.
This would be a flag that US is leaving NATO, a bad ally under Trump which only encourages fascists and authoritarians which will impact USA even further.
Goose-of-Knowledge on
To be honest, it’s mostly Merkel’s fault. Germans kept feeding that deluded dictatorship for 3 decades and without US intervention they would keep ramping up the rate of funding of putins army. They really should go to the front lines and pay for what they have done in the name of greed.
Agreeable_Falcon1044 on
I’m pleased we have Starmer. It looks like Europe and NATO are going to take one hell of a battering come November, so we need a leader who will step up and defend our position.
Putin has played the long game, as have China. They have their stooges everywhere.
MasterLogic on
Trump is the second biggest risk to the world after Putin. Crazy people should not be allowed to run the country in general, let alone have a say in a war.
B1ueRogue on
Where are the likes of Roosevelt and Churchill when you need them
tree_boom on
> Elbridge Colby told The Telegraph that the UK should not expect significant support from the US on Ukraine under a second Trump administration, and called for Europe to take “primary responsibility” for the war.
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> He suggested Britain should deploy a “Britain first” approach to defence and security.
The political stupidity of this attitude never ceases to amaze me. There is a reason that Europe continues to rely so heavily on the US for defence, and that reason is that historically US administrations have **wanted** us to. American foreign policy is the default western foreign policy, and that privileged position is bought largely through the outsourcing of defence matters to the US – that doesn’t just include physical defence of Europe but also the ability to project force abroad to influence events around the world. They’re the ones who can affect things, so they’re the ones who get to decide in what manner things should be affected.
The corollary to a resurge in European defence spending is that Europe’s going to be significantly less willing to toe the US line when it comes to making foreign and defence policy decisions, and I don’t think that that’s fully appreciated by those advocating it in the states.
All that said though, in principle from a UK point of view I think that that’s fine in the long term. I think if Europe rebuilds both its military and defence-industrial capabilities to the point that we can guarantee our own security at home and abroad then so much the better. I don’t think that necessarily includes abandoning the Indo-Pacific – there’s some areas we should still be involved, particularly the industrial and technological cooperation with Australia and Japan – but if they want us to focus forces in the Atlantic and Europe – fine.
Marcuse0 on
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The USA tried isolationism before and it turned out badly for everyone.
Manoj109 on
He is right . There is no need for the UK to pivot to the Pacific. There is very little little Britain can do in the Pacific to counter China . Britain should work with it’s European allies and focus on European security. First and foremost,to secure Europe’s porous borders.
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Trump encouraged Putin, now enjoys the shitshow and blames everyone else.
Basic narcissistic traumatiser playbook pattern.
the worry is that america may need to have another term of the right wingers and hit rock bottom , like we did, to finally get rid of the clowns.
it’s going to be a time when europe needs to shape up and do without america, and britain hopefully will understand europe is where it’s best interests lie
We can’t really expect the Americans to care more about a European war than Europe does, especially if they elect an openly isolationist president.
If Ukraine is going to keep fighting the war, Europe will need to step up military production and arm them. Which we should really should have spent the last 2 years preparing to do.
This is long needed Tbf. Europe has been so pathetic on defense that a kick up the bum is needed.
Very few countries have actually met their nato obligations in the past. And some still aren’t even 2 years after Russia invaded a European neighbour.
It’s the USs problem too. A destabilised Europe impacts USA as well.
It also means Europe turning away from USA for security, not buying US defence products as much.
This would be a flag that US is leaving NATO, a bad ally under Trump which only encourages fascists and authoritarians which will impact USA even further.
To be honest, it’s mostly Merkel’s fault. Germans kept feeding that deluded dictatorship for 3 decades and without US intervention they would keep ramping up the rate of funding of putins army. They really should go to the front lines and pay for what they have done in the name of greed.
I’m pleased we have Starmer. It looks like Europe and NATO are going to take one hell of a battering come November, so we need a leader who will step up and defend our position.
Putin has played the long game, as have China. They have their stooges everywhere.
Trump is the second biggest risk to the world after Putin. Crazy people should not be allowed to run the country in general, let alone have a say in a war.
Where are the likes of Roosevelt and Churchill when you need them
> Elbridge Colby told The Telegraph that the UK should not expect significant support from the US on Ukraine under a second Trump administration, and called for Europe to take “primary responsibility” for the war.
>
> He suggested Britain should deploy a “Britain first” approach to defence and security.
The political stupidity of this attitude never ceases to amaze me. There is a reason that Europe continues to rely so heavily on the US for defence, and that reason is that historically US administrations have **wanted** us to. American foreign policy is the default western foreign policy, and that privileged position is bought largely through the outsourcing of defence matters to the US – that doesn’t just include physical defence of Europe but also the ability to project force abroad to influence events around the world. They’re the ones who can affect things, so they’re the ones who get to decide in what manner things should be affected.
The corollary to a resurge in European defence spending is that Europe’s going to be significantly less willing to toe the US line when it comes to making foreign and defence policy decisions, and I don’t think that that’s fully appreciated by those advocating it in the states.
All that said though, in principle from a UK point of view I think that that’s fine in the long term. I think if Europe rebuilds both its military and defence-industrial capabilities to the point that we can guarantee our own security at home and abroad then so much the better. I don’t think that necessarily includes abandoning the Indo-Pacific – there’s some areas we should still be involved, particularly the industrial and technological cooperation with Australia and Japan – but if they want us to focus forces in the Atlantic and Europe – fine.
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The USA tried isolationism before and it turned out badly for everyone.
He is right . There is no need for the UK to pivot to the Pacific. There is very little little Britain can do in the Pacific to counter China . Britain should work with it’s European allies and focus on European security. First and foremost,to secure Europe’s porous borders.