Who knows what will happen now, entirely up to Labour to make an announcement whether it’ll continue or not.
Ok_Fly_9544 on
How can targeting disabled people be in the public interest?
Wadarkhu on
Why are they targeting PIP so much when it was like the one benefit to be found to have a 0% rate of fraud?
Not to mention it’s a benefit many *working* people get which *helps them to work* and without it they’d lose the support that it pays for which could then lead to them not being able to work their job anymore which would push them into claiming Universal Credit, and the public hate those claimants just as much.
Ruining the welfare system and making the lives of the vulnerable worse isn’t going to give the poor poor workers earning a measley £100k+ a bigger tax break.
OanKnight on
I haven’t really been following this, but I have a family member that is ab agoraphobe – is there any indication of whether labour are likely to keep the idea of vouchers? How is that going to be workable for people with extra needs to pay for things like utilities etc?
Vasquerade on
I mean nothing short of a truth and reconciliation style inquiry will ever come close to being enough to undo what the Tories and Labour spent like 20 years doing to disabled people.
salamanderwolf on
If they bring vouchers in, disabled and carers are fucked and we’ll see more deaths.
Not that they will care.
Flaky-Jim on
If the Tories hadn’t butchered the NHS, people would be able to get the treatment and support they need. Millions waiting for treatment, and the Tories blamed everything on them for not being fit enough to work. It’s fucking outrageous.
Aware_Development_4 on
I know someone on PIP who has both MS and diabetic neuropathy and she puts some of her money towards private treatments and mobility aids that the NHS either won’t offer or have ridiculously long waiting times for (95 week wait for the type of physio she needs). How the hell is she going to pay for this with vouchers?? It seems like the government are punishing disabled people, a group of people who already suffer so much on a daily basis.
Cause unfortunately they have decided that sick people are a useful group to scapegoat and they would rather send the money to other countries to support the people that live there instead so that they stop coming here by the boat in the hundreds.The scheme won’t work but they still are planning on wasting the money anyway.
Tories just hated everyone
Labour puts everyone from other countries first-we just can’t win.
MedicalWood on
I think the hard pill to swallow is that country is severely financially constrained in its ability to support people with additional needs because of significant demographic changes
There are 66 million people in the UK
Of this, 16 million have a disability (24%)
Also note that 55% of the country are of working age
However when you take into account people on unemployment/disability support etc., only 45% of the country working to support it
The other 55% live off what the 45% contribute in terms of tax contribution
The trend of less of the population working has continued over the past 7 decades and will continue to deteriorate. The future perspective therefore is that likely there will come a time when only 40% of the country is working and contributing in terms of positive tax benefit. It would be a dream come true to pay out benefits and support all people with disabilities. However the reality is that our country is buried in debt and we passed crisis point about 10 years ago.
All areas of welfare, support, healthcare, education and business have been ransacked by consecutive governments. It is not a case of people with disabilities being targeted but instead a case of gross efficiency savings (Cuts) in all areas of life.
I appreciate all the complaints that we recite to government about disability cuts but it would be refreshing to hear some solutions for once, be it government or reddit users.
Kittygrizzle1 on
This consultation is left over from the last government. The new government probably won’t even look at it.
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Link to gov site https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/modernising-support-for-independent-living-the-health-and-disability-green-paper
Who knows what will happen now, entirely up to Labour to make an announcement whether it’ll continue or not.
How can targeting disabled people be in the public interest?
Why are they targeting PIP so much when it was like the one benefit to be found to have a 0% rate of fraud?
Not to mention it’s a benefit many *working* people get which *helps them to work* and without it they’d lose the support that it pays for which could then lead to them not being able to work their job anymore which would push them into claiming Universal Credit, and the public hate those claimants just as much.
Ruining the welfare system and making the lives of the vulnerable worse isn’t going to give the poor poor workers earning a measley £100k+ a bigger tax break.
I haven’t really been following this, but I have a family member that is ab agoraphobe – is there any indication of whether labour are likely to keep the idea of vouchers? How is that going to be workable for people with extra needs to pay for things like utilities etc?
I mean nothing short of a truth and reconciliation style inquiry will ever come close to being enough to undo what the Tories and Labour spent like 20 years doing to disabled people.
If they bring vouchers in, disabled and carers are fucked and we’ll see more deaths.
Not that they will care.
If the Tories hadn’t butchered the NHS, people would be able to get the treatment and support they need. Millions waiting for treatment, and the Tories blamed everything on them for not being fit enough to work. It’s fucking outrageous.
I know someone on PIP who has both MS and diabetic neuropathy and she puts some of her money towards private treatments and mobility aids that the NHS either won’t offer or have ridiculously long waiting times for (95 week wait for the type of physio she needs). How the hell is she going to pay for this with vouchers?? It seems like the government are punishing disabled people, a group of people who already suffer so much on a daily basis.
Just did it.
I followed [this excellent guide](https://medium.com/@averixus/responding-to-the-uk-governments-pip-consultation-9cf97ea9a5aa) when filling in the consultation, it made it a lot easier on my brain.
Cause unfortunately they have decided that sick people are a useful group to scapegoat and they would rather send the money to other countries to support the people that live there instead so that they stop coming here by the boat in the hundreds.The scheme won’t work but they still are planning on wasting the money anyway.
Tories just hated everyone
Labour puts everyone from other countries first-we just can’t win.
I think the hard pill to swallow is that country is severely financially constrained in its ability to support people with additional needs because of significant demographic changes
There are 66 million people in the UK
Of this, 16 million have a disability (24%)
Also note that 55% of the country are of working age
However when you take into account people on unemployment/disability support etc., only 45% of the country working to support it
The other 55% live off what the 45% contribute in terms of tax contribution
The trend of less of the population working has continued over the past 7 decades and will continue to deteriorate. The future perspective therefore is that likely there will come a time when only 40% of the country is working and contributing in terms of positive tax benefit. It would be a dream come true to pay out benefits and support all people with disabilities. However the reality is that our country is buried in debt and we passed crisis point about 10 years ago.
All areas of welfare, support, healthcare, education and business have been ransacked by consecutive governments. It is not a case of people with disabilities being targeted but instead a case of gross efficiency savings (Cuts) in all areas of life.
I appreciate all the complaints that we recite to government about disability cuts but it would be refreshing to hear some solutions for once, be it government or reddit users.
This consultation is left over from the last government. The new government probably won’t even look at it.