Well, it’s only been a couple of weeks since he got a massive majority on the back of a manifesto that said nothing will be brought in unless it’s costed first. So, he is well within his rights to suspend the 7 that are already going against a winning manifesto
corbynista2029 on
To everyone who says that the seven rebels did it because it’s gesture politics, the reason so many people are discussing the two-child benefits cap today is precisely because of these seven rebels, otherwise it’s just another failed SNP amendment (like no one is discussing the failed Lib Dems amendment). They have brought the discussion to the forefront of politics, and there is now immense pressure to scrap it this year, even though I personally don’t think it’ll happen. These seven are ultimately backbenchers, and they have done everything in their power to highlight this injustice.
Critical-Engineer81 on
I don’t understand why tories abstained from the vote. It was their fucking policy.
callsignhotdog on
Starmer himself called for the end of the cap in 2020.
EvilTaffyapple on
Can someone explain why this is such a battleground currently?
From what I understand, the amount of benefit granted isn’t enough to really make a difference to families thenselves, but the cost to taxpayers is enormous. Why do people think we should be paying for parents to fund children costs?
Hombarume80 on
Great for Starmer for enforcing party discipline.The left when left unabated tend to infight and destroy each other.
JN324 on
Good, they just won partially on a promise to be responsible and cost things, and immediately they get a load of dissenters undermining the manifesto they JUST won on.
Labour have just got through going down this road, where under Corbyn the party was hyper factional and shaky, if they start encouraging dissent and fiscal recklessness again immediately, they are going to fuck themselves.
richmeister6666 on
Labour manifesto: we won’t lift the two child cap
*Labour wins huge majority*
2 weeks later…
Labour rebels: let’s vote to lift the two child cap!
Labour: lol no.
Labour rebels: *shocked pikachu face*
Performative politics at its worst, these rebels were blatantly waiting for the first opportunity to get the whip taken off them all whilst getting their safe Labour seats and collecting their mp salary.
Prestigious_Clock865 on
Sorry OP, but what you’ve failed to consider is that this sub believes continuing child poverty is actually just ‘sensible politics’
Hot_and_Foamy on
Labour suspends Labour MPs for abandoning manifesto promises weeks after election..
kidtastrophe88 on
Regardless of whether you support the cap or not. MP’s need to vote with their conscience and the best interest of their constituents that they represent.
It’s ridiculous to demand that they all vote a certain way and punish them if they do not. It makes a vote pointless and is more in line with a dictatorship.
Electric_Death_1349 on
Tony Blair didn’t feel the need to withdraw the whip from rebels because he was strong leader who commanded a massive majority which was won of the back of a populist surge; Starmer is resorting to punitive authoritarianism because he’s the opposite – he’s a weak leader, tolerated by his colleagues only in the absence of an alternative, whose majority is built on foundations of sand, achieved largely due to tactical voting, during and an election victory that yielded the lowest turnout since the introduction of universal suffrage.
BidoofChaos on
Labour have JUST been elected on a manifesto that says they can’t do this right now. There isn’t the money for it, but they will revisit in the future, is essentially Starmer’s stance on it. The fact 7 MPs have been elected on this and then rebel is silly and of course removing the whip is the correct thing to do
Hydramy on
What’s the point in voting on issues if you just suspend people that vote against you?
TheLimeyLemmon on
Feels quite anti democratic to punish members of your party for voting how they feel and not voting how they’re told.
lkslondon on
Kid Starver is the least labour labour candidate I have ever seen.
likely-high on
I love that that site doesn’t even have articles any more. Just headlines, much like the real news.
WynterRayne on
Why are so many people in the comments here saying this was a manifesto commitment? Have they *read* the manifesto?
NoBadgersSociety on
Silly headline. He suspended them for voting for an SNP amendment to his entire program for government.
scummy71 on
The left wing fell into an SNP trap this was not really about the issue in hand but about exposing labour weaknesses and They fell right into the trap. Remember when the Tory remainers defied Johnson they were stripped of the whip permanently. Even Soames who was Churchills grandson. I’m left wing ish and feel these MPs should have been more savvy about the game.
salkhan on
He removes the Whip immediately and yet Labour complains about the independent candidates that left the party. Typical.
DeityofDeath on
Is it now obvious that kid starver is just a tory in sheep’s clothing?
wrigh2uk on
Sure feels like they’re getting punished for putting country over party (in their eyes at least)
diwalibonus on
Labour MPs don’t vote against Labour confidence votes.
mortonr2000 on
Labour suspended 7 idiots who thought Jeremy was still in charge.
Ill_Pain_1456 on
Modern labour centrists can’t comprehend standing for what you actually believe in. Makes sense. Starmer has lapsed on every head of labour campaign promise he made. And guess which cap he said he’d end?
Ill_Pain_1456 on
Many of these MPs ran on the promise to their constituents they’d vote to end the cap. They stood for what they believed in. But modern labour is the party of the upper middle class and friends of bankers.
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Well, it’s only been a couple of weeks since he got a massive majority on the back of a manifesto that said nothing will be brought in unless it’s costed first. So, he is well within his rights to suspend the 7 that are already going against a winning manifesto
To everyone who says that the seven rebels did it because it’s gesture politics, the reason so many people are discussing the two-child benefits cap today is precisely because of these seven rebels, otherwise it’s just another failed SNP amendment (like no one is discussing the failed Lib Dems amendment). They have brought the discussion to the forefront of politics, and there is now immense pressure to scrap it this year, even though I personally don’t think it’ll happen. These seven are ultimately backbenchers, and they have done everything in their power to highlight this injustice.
I don’t understand why tories abstained from the vote. It was their fucking policy.
Starmer himself called for the end of the cap in 2020.
Can someone explain why this is such a battleground currently?
From what I understand, the amount of benefit granted isn’t enough to really make a difference to families thenselves, but the cost to taxpayers is enormous. Why do people think we should be paying for parents to fund children costs?
Great for Starmer for enforcing party discipline.The left when left unabated tend to infight and destroy each other.
Good, they just won partially on a promise to be responsible and cost things, and immediately they get a load of dissenters undermining the manifesto they JUST won on.
Labour have just got through going down this road, where under Corbyn the party was hyper factional and shaky, if they start encouraging dissent and fiscal recklessness again immediately, they are going to fuck themselves.
Labour manifesto: we won’t lift the two child cap
*Labour wins huge majority*
2 weeks later…
Labour rebels: let’s vote to lift the two child cap!
Labour: lol no.
Labour rebels: *shocked pikachu face*
Performative politics at its worst, these rebels were blatantly waiting for the first opportunity to get the whip taken off them all whilst getting their safe Labour seats and collecting their mp salary.
Sorry OP, but what you’ve failed to consider is that this sub believes continuing child poverty is actually just ‘sensible politics’
Labour suspends Labour MPs for abandoning manifesto promises weeks after election..
Regardless of whether you support the cap or not. MP’s need to vote with their conscience and the best interest of their constituents that they represent.
It’s ridiculous to demand that they all vote a certain way and punish them if they do not. It makes a vote pointless and is more in line with a dictatorship.
Tony Blair didn’t feel the need to withdraw the whip from rebels because he was strong leader who commanded a massive majority which was won of the back of a populist surge; Starmer is resorting to punitive authoritarianism because he’s the opposite – he’s a weak leader, tolerated by his colleagues only in the absence of an alternative, whose majority is built on foundations of sand, achieved largely due to tactical voting, during and an election victory that yielded the lowest turnout since the introduction of universal suffrage.
Labour have JUST been elected on a manifesto that says they can’t do this right now. There isn’t the money for it, but they will revisit in the future, is essentially Starmer’s stance on it. The fact 7 MPs have been elected on this and then rebel is silly and of course removing the whip is the correct thing to do
What’s the point in voting on issues if you just suspend people that vote against you?
Feels quite anti democratic to punish members of your party for voting how they feel and not voting how they’re told.
Kid Starver is the least labour labour candidate I have ever seen.
I love that that site doesn’t even have articles any more. Just headlines, much like the real news.
Why are so many people in the comments here saying this was a manifesto commitment? Have they *read* the manifesto?
Silly headline. He suspended them for voting for an SNP amendment to his entire program for government.
The left wing fell into an SNP trap this was not really about the issue in hand but about exposing labour weaknesses and They fell right into the trap. Remember when the Tory remainers defied Johnson they were stripped of the whip permanently. Even Soames who was Churchills grandson. I’m left wing ish and feel these MPs should have been more savvy about the game.
He removes the Whip immediately and yet Labour complains about the independent candidates that left the party. Typical.
Is it now obvious that kid starver is just a tory in sheep’s clothing?
Sure feels like they’re getting punished for putting country over party (in their eyes at least)
Labour MPs don’t vote against Labour confidence votes.
Labour suspended 7 idiots who thought Jeremy was still in charge.
Modern labour centrists can’t comprehend standing for what you actually believe in. Makes sense. Starmer has lapsed on every head of labour campaign promise he made. And guess which cap he said he’d end?
Many of these MPs ran on the promise to their constituents they’d vote to end the cap. They stood for what they believed in. But modern labour is the party of the upper middle class and friends of bankers.