Having over 100 convictions is beyond absurd, you should be locked up for good after your second; despite the excuses some people like to make, it’s perfectly easy to live your life without committing any crime.
Purple_Woodpecker on
Got to make space for all those people “gesticulating at police” and espousing “anti-establishment rhetoric” innit.
AcademicIncrease8080 on
The current approach is utterly insane, a small number of prolific offenders commit the vast majority of crime, and they’re able to continue to be super prolific because they just are not receiving long sentences.
A prisoner is much more likely to have at least 46 previous convictions or cautions than to be a first time offender. Just let that sink in.
How about not letting offenders get that prolific in the first place? If you have 10 year mandatory minimums for serious crime like burglary, you can only commit one crime a decade, the pheneonen of criminals with 100+ convictions would cease to exist.
judochop1 on
Problem with serial criminals is that after a while, they know the law as well as any other police officer or lawyer, so they know what to do and say to stay within the margins of not getting a jail sentence. And if they do go to jail, they are with mates, they are comfy.
Not much you can do about that other than work on the root causes.
HeadPage6783 on
Good. We should be focusing on real criminals such as those posting naughty words and opinions on the internet.
profesorkind on
As long as they don’t post anything someone might consider offensive on facebook…
Happytallperson on
So, this article is largely meaningless.
Say Bobby Criminal has 50 previous convictions for being a dastardly criminal.
One evening, outside of a pub he shouts ‘f**** off’ at a man who critiques his choice to drink piss (aka Carling). He is duly arrested and charged under s.5 Public Order Act 1986.
He appears before court and is fined.
He is now a criminal ‘spared jail’ despite 50 previous convictions. Outrageous!
The fact you cannot be sent to prison for a s.5 charge doesn’t enter this analysis.
Without that analysis, the article is basically pointless.
Independent-Collar77 on
It is interesting how 99% of the posts I get in my feed from this sub since the riots are either about an ethnic minority committing a crime, people getting away with crimes or both. Some of the stories I’ve seen are years old.
And every comment is some form of “oh got to make room for more thought crimes” “two tier policing blah de blah” or “yeah lets just keep letting migration get out control for more of said crime to happen!”
I would love to see what percentage was organic and what was bots and outside actors.
Hollywood-is-DOA on
The only answer is make jails a horrible place and make more of them. If you know the right people then jail can be super easy and highly profitable for you. I know people who live an easier life in jail than they ever do on the outside.
ash_ninetyone on
Criminals with that number of convictions would have gotten Imprisonment for Public Protection orders. They’ve were indeterminant, indefinite sentances. They were controversial at the time because they didn’t set any terms.
They were introduced by David Blunkett in the 00s and were scrapped in 2014.
I’m not sure acts like petty theft, drug possession (except intent to supply) or other minor offences should be considered into life imprisonment. But if you are constantly in front of a magistrate, that should begin to remove any mitigating factors. Career criminals should imho be imprisoned for the maximum term in sentencing guidelines.
If they have a track record for things like assault, arson, etc, then this should factor into the sentences.
gottacatchthemswans on
Look at the recent phone snatcher where the police rammed him off his e-bike to catch him. He cost how mentally and financially to his victims. And the investment in catching him and putting him before the courts.. to get only 2 years and to be back out in 1. And to no doubt doing it again with all the risk he will again be putting people in.
And then you have to think to the officer who did the tactical contact is it really worth the risk of using that tactic. What if (and when.. as everyone makes mistakes) it goes wrong he could get a much worse sentence and lose his career.
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Having over 100 convictions is beyond absurd, you should be locked up for good after your second; despite the excuses some people like to make, it’s perfectly easy to live your life without committing any crime.
Got to make space for all those people “gesticulating at police” and espousing “anti-establishment rhetoric” innit.
The current approach is utterly insane, a small number of prolific offenders commit the vast majority of crime, and they’re able to continue to be super prolific because they just are not receiving long sentences.
A prisoner is much more likely to have at least 46 previous convictions or cautions than to be a first time offender. Just let that sink in.
How about not letting offenders get that prolific in the first place? If you have 10 year mandatory minimums for serious crime like burglary, you can only commit one crime a decade, the pheneonen of criminals with 100+ convictions would cease to exist.
Problem with serial criminals is that after a while, they know the law as well as any other police officer or lawyer, so they know what to do and say to stay within the margins of not getting a jail sentence. And if they do go to jail, they are with mates, they are comfy.
Not much you can do about that other than work on the root causes.
Good. We should be focusing on real criminals such as those posting naughty words and opinions on the internet.
As long as they don’t post anything someone might consider offensive on facebook…
So, this article is largely meaningless.
Say Bobby Criminal has 50 previous convictions for being a dastardly criminal.
One evening, outside of a pub he shouts ‘f**** off’ at a man who critiques his choice to drink piss (aka Carling). He is duly arrested and charged under s.5 Public Order Act 1986.
He appears before court and is fined.
He is now a criminal ‘spared jail’ despite 50 previous convictions. Outrageous!
The fact you cannot be sent to prison for a s.5 charge doesn’t enter this analysis.
Without that analysis, the article is basically pointless.
It is interesting how 99% of the posts I get in my feed from this sub since the riots are either about an ethnic minority committing a crime, people getting away with crimes or both. Some of the stories I’ve seen are years old.
And every comment is some form of “oh got to make room for more thought crimes” “two tier policing blah de blah” or “yeah lets just keep letting migration get out control for more of said crime to happen!”
I would love to see what percentage was organic and what was bots and outside actors.
The only answer is make jails a horrible place and make more of them. If you know the right people then jail can be super easy and highly profitable for you. I know people who live an easier life in jail than they ever do on the outside.
Criminals with that number of convictions would have gotten Imprisonment for Public Protection orders. They’ve were indeterminant, indefinite sentances. They were controversial at the time because they didn’t set any terms.
They were introduced by David Blunkett in the 00s and were scrapped in 2014.
I’m not sure acts like petty theft, drug possession (except intent to supply) or other minor offences should be considered into life imprisonment. But if you are constantly in front of a magistrate, that should begin to remove any mitigating factors. Career criminals should imho be imprisoned for the maximum term in sentencing guidelines.
If they have a track record for things like assault, arson, etc, then this should factor into the sentences.
Look at the recent phone snatcher where the police rammed him off his e-bike to catch him. He cost how mentally and financially to his victims. And the investment in catching him and putting him before the courts.. to get only 2 years and to be back out in 1. And to no doubt doing it again with all the risk he will again be putting people in.
And then you have to think to the officer who did the tactical contact is it really worth the risk of using that tactic. What if (and when.. as everyone makes mistakes) it goes wrong he could get a much worse sentence and lose his career.
https://hounslowherald.com/london-thief-stole-phones-in-one-morning-p25280-249.htm
My cousin has been caught dealing to school kids three times… No jail time.