The problem is these people aren’t “trans” as such and are skewing the perception of trans people.
Male sex offenders have cottoned on to the idea that if they simply claim they’re “trans” it is easier to offend, and gives them an easier ride in the justice system.
They do not represent trans people.
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Darq_At on
I would be interested in a breakdown. Because many aspects of sex work, such as solicitation, are considered a sexual offences. And transgender women, often due to discrimination and economic hardship, are overrepresented in sex work.
And the article counts prisoners who “had committed at least one sexual offence”, not prisoners in prison for a sexual offence, let alone a violent sexual offence. Even though that is the conclusion an average reader is going to come to. So I do think this is a slimy bit of “journalism”, so it’s [right in line with the UK journalistic tradition](https://theonion.com/it-is-journalism-s-sacred-duty-to-endanger-the-lives-of-1850126997/).
RedBerryyy on
To my knowledge this
a) doesn’t track shorter sentences (i.e naturally skews disproportionately towards sex crimes as they have longer sentences)
b) doesn’t tell you whether this is trans people committing more sex crimes or less other crimes. (comparisons to absolute population levels are flawed)
c) doesn’t tell you what proportion of those arewere on hrt or are people who came out after getting arrested.
Also acknowledge that being put in a male jail for a trans woman can often lead to them getting raped a lot, and blanket policies justified by this kind of headline leads to the situation where a trans woman who ends up in jail on lesser charges (i.e not sexual assault) who hadn’t gotten a surgery or gra yet (both things that are not easy to attain and take decades on the NHS) would be subjected to that.
It just seems crazy how cool people are with this random minority getting orders of magnitude worse punishment if they end up in jail for anything at all for no reason.
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hadawayandshite on
So?
About 1/5th of male prisoners are sex offenders
I’m not going to make guesses about the non-prison population’s behaviour based on that of prisoners
MostMeesh on
This is bollocks because they don’t know how many trans people are in the prison estate. You can’t say 60% of anything is something when you don’t know what 100% is.
Sex offenders serve longer sentences than most offences. They are in longer so the same prisoners are counted every year.
Prison rates do not equal offending rates. Most crimes don’t get prison. Prisoners leave prison, or they die, or any number things that mean prison. Rates are useless when looking at offending rates
This is the same transphobic twisting of stats that happens every year to monster trans people.
So tired of it.
Aiyon on
The telegraph is so unsubtle with the narratives it tries to push around trans people at this point
The framing of this headline, and the fact it’s a headline at all, is meant to make you think trans people are disproportionately likely to be sex offenders
But if that was the case, they’d be running that headline. In practice the headline is about as informative as “100% of trans women prisoners are criminals”.
Imagine if we ran an article about any other demographic based solely on convicts.
Terryfink on
100% of male rapists in jail are rapists.
I mean what the fuck are we talking about here.
LuinAelin on
The problem with this is that we don’t know the number of trans women in prison in relation to the general population.
So all we can gather is that a large percentage of trans people convicted of crimes are sex offenders
RainbowRedYellow on
Their sources are not cited I honestly don’t trust anything the telegraph has to report on trans issues they are extremely transphobic and are pushing an agenda of hatred.
Anyone accepting these narratives uncritically are as transphobic as those same sources.
One_Reality_5600 on
How many of true trans people in prison are sex offenders.
More bollocks from the torygraph trying to push a narrative that most trans prisoners are sex offenders when it turns out they are not trans at all. Just fuck off.
hadawayandshite on
Who ever said Trans Women are exactly the same as Cis Women- that is evidentially not the case
The model whic is the best analogy (but not perfect) is being a parent—-you can be a biological parent or you can be an adoptive parent…both are still classed as parents. You can be a biological (cis woman) or a transwoman.
The concept of ‘parent’ and ‘woman’ can be social constructs as well as words related to biology
Cynical_Classicist on
Ah, I see that the Torygraph is trying to do the trans people are sex offenders stuff.
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The problem is these people aren’t “trans” as such and are skewing the perception of trans people.
Male sex offenders have cottoned on to the idea that if they simply claim they’re “trans” it is easier to offend, and gives them an easier ride in the justice system.
They do not represent trans people.
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I would be interested in a breakdown. Because many aspects of sex work, such as solicitation, are considered a sexual offences. And transgender women, often due to discrimination and economic hardship, are overrepresented in sex work.
And the article counts prisoners who “had committed at least one sexual offence”, not prisoners in prison for a sexual offence, let alone a violent sexual offence. Even though that is the conclusion an average reader is going to come to. So I do think this is a slimy bit of “journalism”, so it’s [right in line with the UK journalistic tradition](https://theonion.com/it-is-journalism-s-sacred-duty-to-endanger-the-lives-of-1850126997/).
To my knowledge this
a) doesn’t track shorter sentences (i.e naturally skews disproportionately towards sex crimes as they have longer sentences)
b) doesn’t tell you whether this is trans people committing more sex crimes or less other crimes. (comparisons to absolute population levels are flawed)
c) doesn’t tell you what proportion of those arewere on hrt or are people who came out after getting arrested.
Also acknowledge that being put in a male jail for a trans woman can often lead to them getting raped a lot, and blanket policies justified by this kind of headline leads to the situation where a trans woman who ends up in jail on lesser charges (i.e not sexual assault) who hadn’t gotten a surgery or gra yet (both things that are not easy to attain and take decades on the NHS) would be subjected to that.
It just seems crazy how cool people are with this random minority getting orders of magnitude worse punishment if they end up in jail for anything at all for no reason.
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So?
About 1/5th of male prisoners are sex offenders
I’m not going to make guesses about the non-prison population’s behaviour based on that of prisoners
This is bollocks because they don’t know how many trans people are in the prison estate. You can’t say 60% of anything is something when you don’t know what 100% is.
Sex offenders serve longer sentences than most offences. They are in longer so the same prisoners are counted every year.
Prison rates do not equal offending rates. Most crimes don’t get prison. Prisoners leave prison, or they die, or any number things that mean prison. Rates are useless when looking at offending rates
This is the same transphobic twisting of stats that happens every year to monster trans people.
So tired of it.
The telegraph is so unsubtle with the narratives it tries to push around trans people at this point
The framing of this headline, and the fact it’s a headline at all, is meant to make you think trans people are disproportionately likely to be sex offenders
But if that was the case, they’d be running that headline. In practice the headline is about as informative as “100% of trans women prisoners are criminals”.
Imagine if we ran an article about any other demographic based solely on convicts.
100% of male rapists in jail are rapists.
I mean what the fuck are we talking about here.
The problem with this is that we don’t know the number of trans women in prison in relation to the general population.
So all we can gather is that a large percentage of trans people convicted of crimes are sex offenders
Their sources are not cited I honestly don’t trust anything the telegraph has to report on trans issues they are extremely transphobic and are pushing an agenda of hatred.
Anyone accepting these narratives uncritically are as transphobic as those same sources.
How many of true trans people in prison are sex offenders.
More bollocks from the torygraph trying to push a narrative that most trans prisoners are sex offenders when it turns out they are not trans at all. Just fuck off.
Who ever said Trans Women are exactly the same as Cis Women- that is evidentially not the case
The model whic is the best analogy (but not perfect) is being a parent—-you can be a biological parent or you can be an adoptive parent…both are still classed as parents. You can be a biological (cis woman) or a transwoman.
The concept of ‘parent’ and ‘woman’ can be social constructs as well as words related to biology
Ah, I see that the Torygraph is trying to do the trans people are sex offenders stuff.