Children as old as eight still not toilet trained
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74x23yw71yo
Posted by Forward-Answer-4407
Children as old as eight still not toilet trained
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74x23yw71yo
Posted by Forward-Answer-4407
18 Comments
Well I’m not surprised nowadays by anything at this point.
> Grandfather Gavin Wise said the policy was “unfair”.
> “If the kid’s in school, that’s what they’re there for, to be looked after.
> If they employed someone else to come in and do that for them, it shouldn’t be a problem. I’d say it’s part of the job.”
No, the teacher isn’t a carer. While they do have a duty of care and safeguarding towards all pupils, their job is to teach. It’s also unfair on the other children if the teacher has to stop a lesson to change the nappy on your problem child
I taught a girl in year 7 (so 11) who used to routinely wet and shit herself because she just couldn’t be arsed.
Parents “couldn’t see the issue”.
We have a serious lack of personal and parental responsibility in this country. Everything always seems to be someone else’s fault or for them to pick up the slack. It might be a cliche but it’s true, theres too many people who shouldn’t be raising children and too many iPad parents.
I’ve got family members who are teachers; this was a problem even before Covid. Some parents just refuse to do the basics for their children, and teachers are increasingly expected to be all-round carers for 30 kids simultaneously AND teachers. I know one teacher who had to pick up a student from their home every morning because the parent couldn’t be bothered to wake up each day.
I don’t know if social services are just too overwhelmed nowadays so teachers are expected to step up or what, but this report comes as no surprise.
I’m sure Gavin Wise is very hands on with teaching his kids/ grandkids…… what a plonker
Total lack of parental responsibility.
This sadly is the end result of the welfare state, covid policies and further expansion of things like universal free school meals – if we don’t even expect parents to feed their own children what do we even expect them to do? Total state dependence. A large portion of people are not altruistic, they will take the fucking piss.
I’m not sure that not having toilet trained your child by the time they’re 8, in absence of medical issues, isn’t child abuse or at least neglect.
There are just some things which as a parent who has chosen to have children you just have to do.
I find it hard to believe that children as old as seven or eight with no additional needs aren’t capable of using the toilet.
My oldest will turn seven soon and even if he wasn’t toilet trained years ago he’s old enough and smart enough that he would learn this independently if he was forced to.
The social contract of Britain is in tatters. Can’t simply say No this is not acceptable.
In 10-15 years it’s going to be interesting to see job figures and retention rates when the young COVID hit generation hit the market
Unless the child has a medical condition it’s Lazy parenting
Stop bringing children into the world that you are not going to raise right.
There has been a decrease in the care of children over the last 40 years and it comes down to both parents having to work full time. these things are not helped by lots of other things, money, phones and the removal of youth clubs.
My daughter’s 3 1/2 and she’s fully toilet trained. It’s not hard, it took us a couple of weeks and lost some wet/soiled clothes.
The brain rot is real. Toilet training makes parents lives easier. Why on earth would you have a six year old incapable of going to the toilet themselves?
I saw a post from a 20-odd yr old begging for help with his porn addiction. He mentioned that he was watching porn since the age of 11. Others piped up in the comments saying they also started watching from similar ages. Between this, iPad kids, the above issues with toilet training, the Darth Vader style vaping that goes on, children really have no chance.
When I was younger, we laughed at the old people for the Parent Advisory stickers on CDs. I remember when the band Slipnot were banned from playing in Dublin from a parents group pressure. Porn was avoidable to some extent as printed media and crappy internet limited the immediate access. Smoking killed and you knew it because it was advertised everywhere. But now as the older generation, we have just removed the brakes and we don’t demand anything from our youth. Sadly I see now having a party who morally object (not the weird way it happens now) was actually protecting society.
It’s truly sad. I also think there’s a complete gap in teen media made for teens. There’s no Tracy Beaker or Grange Hill for guidance and children and teens exist in this incubator where their bodies are growing but their minds are just mush. I really don’t understand how we are going to have the next gen of professionals (I mean all skilled jobs, apprenticeship to scholars) as these children are self confessed addicts to damaging things (social media, porn, vaping for a start) that are destroying their morals, minds and bodies.
It darkness for teenagers and I understand totally why they numb themselves. This issue discussed here will be fixed by normalising nappies for older children. That shame in messing yourself in public will be eroded and in time, if you object to this happening for someone, you will be seen as the issue for not accepting someone for what they are (all they can do).
Sad state of affairs and unfortunately it’s going to be up to Gen Z (?) children to fix it.
Id be interested to see how many of those children were raised by their parents or were effectively raised by a nursery school from an early age.
When I lived in London, i used to go out to the train station at about 6am. Often I saw parents dropping kids, only about 1 year / 18 months old off at the nursery I walked past. Sometimes, if I was working late, id walk past the same nursery at about 7/8 pm and would on occasion see the same parents picking up the same children. With the greatest of love to that parent, im sure its for a range of economic or social reasons, but they are not raising that child, the nursery is. And I bet that nursery isn’t required to ensure that the child learns to use the potty, pull ups or become toilet trained.
I do agree in one very old school thing and that is in the value of the nuclear family with at least one parent staying at home full time (or 2 parents haring that role between them 50%) until the child at least goes to infants school. Sadly we have destroyed the value of the traditional family and changed society so much that having a stay at home parent is impossible.
Staying at home to raise your child is not “dossing”. Its the most valuable job that you can to as a parent and for society. I also thing that many behavioral issues etc would reduce if children would be able to form better emotional bonds in their early years by being raised by their actual families. We need to take a good look at what we have allowed society to become and try to undo the damage
I think at seven or eight there must be a disability/medical condition – whether the parents are in denial, DGAF, or are struggling to get help/diagnosis.
I honestly believe a NT 8 year old would feel very embarrassed being in a nappy or wetting themselves amongst peers, many of whom would absolutely take the piss out of them, and would also be capable of toilet training themselves.
My neighbour’s youngest started climbing onto the toilet off his own back when he was 2, copying his older sibling.