Nurse can refer to transgender doctor as a man in legal victory
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/26/scotland-transgender-nhs-fife-employment-tribunal-nurse/
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Nurse can refer to transgender doctor as a man in legal victory
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/26/scotland-transgender-nhs-fife-employment-tribunal-nurse/
Posted by ParkedUpWithCoffee
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>*Mr Kemp acknowledged that “misgendering” of Dr Upton is likely to prove “painful and distressing” but said he was not convinced by claims that, in the context of an employment tribunal, it would in itself amount to unlawful harassment.*
>*However, he said the bar for harassment could be met if male pronouns are used “gratuitously and offensively on a repeated basis”.*
>*He said Ms Peggie and her representatives “may wish to reflect” on whether it was “necessary or appropriate” to use male terms to refer to Dr Upton, even though they are not banned from doing so.*
Why is it that transphobes seem allergic to common basic decency? Like it it seriously so hard to treat people with the lowest amount of respect?
Put yourself in her shoes for a moment. Imagine you had a coworker who just always, non-stop, referred to you as the other gender. Can you imagine just how infuriating that would be?
Looks to me like the nurse is purposefully causing drama just to push her views, so what if the doctor is trans just move on!
How is misgendering not harassment?
I have also noticed a trend with these transphobes. They are always complaining about male to female transitions. They don’t misgender female to male transitions or demand they should use women’s spaces. These people are just men to them.
And how exactly does this make the world a better place?
>Jane Russell, the lawyer representing NHS Fife and Dr Upton, had claimed she had “serious concerns” about the “citizen journalist” platform which she argued would present a warped version of events.
Not just citizen journalists, look at this very headline from mainstream media, which is proving her point.
She can refer to the doctor as a man **in the tribunal case** as long as it’s relevant to the issues and she and her legal team aren’t doing so gratuitously or offensively.
The whole point of her case is that she doesn’t accept the transgender doctor as a woman.
To make her refer to the doctor as ‘she’ and call the doctor a ‘woman’ in this context would be utterly ridiculous.
This is a tribunal, it is not a Reddit sub. In courts, angry downvotes have no impact at all, children
Wow… what a fucking “victory”. Put that one down in the annals of your life history to look back on with pride and a sense of achievement. Fucking hell man I am so done with this world as it is at the moment.
Why is everyone so obsessed with each other’s genitals?
If being a jerk was illegal we would need a looot more prisons.
Can you please read the article first.. This isn’t just a person being an arsehole as many seem to think it is.
Daily reminder that it costs you nothing to be kind.
Sounds like the recipe for a deeply shitty and toxic workplace.
Thank god we’re tackling the real problems in this country.
> a doctor who identifies as a transgender woman.
Classic telegraph. The doctor isn’t a trans woman, no no, she “identifies as” a trans woman. Because we gotta reinforce the idea that trans people don’t actually exist.
> The latest victory for Ms Peggie, in advance of hearings getting underway, follows failed attempts by NHS Fife to hold proceedings in secret and to prevent Dr Upton’s identity being disclosed.
Ah yes, what a victory. For a second, I was worried we wouldn’t be able to publicly drag this trans person through the mud for… existing.
Why are they framing “keeping private the identity of someone who hasn’t done anything wrong” as some nefarious scheme?
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> a case which could have wider implications for how easily trans women can access female single-sex spaces.
And there’s the meat of it. The Telegraph endorse this because they want to push the “force trans women into male spaces” bullshit, knowing full well trans people are in way more danger there, than they’ve ever created for cis women.
> “NHS Fife has tried hard to keep the case out of the news,” said Fiona McAnena, director of campaigns at Sex Matters, a group backing Ms Peggie.
Ah yes, Sex Matters. *Known anti-trans hate group*. I lover their [“other groups”](https://sex-matters.org/posts/category/other-groups/) page, which features
– LGB Alliance, anti-trans hate group
– Transgender Trend, anti-trans hate group
– Standing For Women, anti-trans hate group [headed by a nazi apologist](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBy93QX7ysE)
– Genspect, anti trans group that [want to ban transition](https://www.dailydot.com/debug/genspect/)
– etc
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> Mr Kemp also rejected a bid by NHS Fife to ban Tribunal Tweets, a social media account with a particular interest in gender cases*, from posting live updates of the hearings.
*Read: Dedicated to obsessing over demonising trans people
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This is just the media giants in this country salivating at the opportunity to call a trans woman a man and push anti-trans rhetoric yet again.
Just to let you know, one of the history’s most eminent doctors, [Dr James Barry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Barry_(surgeon)), was discovered to be female after their death. No one suspected at all during their illistrious career, which included enlisting in the British Army, traning in medical school, and rising to the the second-highest medical office in the British Army. She was born Margaret Anne Bulkley in 1789.
[Barry on the left](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Photograph%3B_Dr._James_Barry_with_negro_servant_and_dog._Wellcome_L0022267.jpg)
Ah yes Trans people as Schrödinger’s Homosexuals.
Are these Gay men who have been lied to in the form of conversion therapy, or are they violent lesbians treated-as-men bringing back the very worst of the lavender panic?
Until you know if it’s the medical or social acceptance you want to deny and collapse the waveform then they are a superposition of both!