Labour finding out that it was easy to critcise in opposition and giving pledges.
Cruxed1 on
Which bits supposed to be funded by it?
If it’s purely for food 60p per kid per breakfast seems pretty doable no? Not saying you’d be eating luxuries but surely no ones really expecting that.
IPreferToSmokeAlone on
Why did they give just 60p each for one of their flagship education schemes? I can’t believe they are this stupid, there must be something I’m missing because if not this is the worst kind of gesture politics which they repeatedly claimed to be above
PapaJrer on
Interesting that some private companies submitted evidence to the CWB committee, sniffing around for some influence over breakfast clubs and referring to themselves as ‘stakeholders’. I’m sure struggling parents need their children inundated with Lego adverts during breakfast.
TheodoreEDamascus on
They need 30p Lee to show them how it’s done. With batch cooking and his undeniable genius, he could probably reduce it to 10p
VamosFicar on
Obviosly people here saying you can make it happen for 60p per child have no clue. You need catering/prep staff and supervisors for the kids, you need clean up afterwards. Then you have the food itself. And the food needs to be wholesome and nutricious and tasty (or the kids won’t want it).
It’s a great idea and gives kids a good start to the day; but really this is replacing what should be happening at home. It’s not solving the core of the problem. Schools are being used not just to educate, but to care for pupils needs… taken to its natural conclusion they will be expected to make them hot drinks and put them to bed shortly.
blahblahscience1 on
60p for the food yes, 60p for the staff and food and clear up and alternatives for dietary requirements and allergies, no way you can do it.
VortexGTI on
Waiting for the Deform dogs to come in and say this the fault of some immigrant
Its_Dakier on
“Labour is so nasty refusing to spend the needed money to feed kids!”
You see how easy it is to say that in opposition when you don’t care for budgetary constraints? I bet the same people who slaughtered the Tories on this don’t say a fucking peep.
Top-Ambition-6966 on
What we need is restaurant scolaire like they have in France. If you’ve never heard of how awesome French school meals are [check it out](https://youtu.be/rXK591Rp4BU?si=dNSyKN7AkacExiwB). Decent, universal high-quality meals teaching kids to be adventurous eaters and learn social rituals of meal sharing.
AshamedAnalysis8120 on
Why can’t parents just feed their own children themselves 🥲
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Kellsman on
Food has to be prepared in commercial standard kitchen by staff who hold a minimum of Food Hygiene Certificate.
The wages for one hour for one staff member has used the combined 60p of thirty children.
Not sure this is going to work…
After-Dentist-2480 on
Give it to Lee Anderson to sort. He can feed people for 30p per meal.
blackleydynamo on
All of this skirts the real issue, which is why the fuck are we letting parents get away with sending kids to school with no breakfast? Why it is the school’s job to feed the fucking kids?
My dad grew up in the 50s and knew some kids from dirt poor families – properly “shoes mended with cardboard and no flushing toilet” poor – but without exception their parents would have *died of shame* if they’d sent the kids to school without at least some oatmeal or something inside them.
Seriously. Own brand Weetabix or shreddies are *not* expensive, and neither is porridge. I work in social housing, I very much appreciate that there are lots of people struggling hard to make ends meet, but the idea that they can’t afford to give their kids a bit of toast or something simply isn’t credible.
demonicneon on
60p will get you one banana, or maybe an apple and a half.
pajamakitten on
Weetabix and milk might be better than nothing for hungry kids, however a nation that actually cares about its young people would be willing to pay for more than the basics. It does not have to be a huge slap-up meal, however kids are still worth more than 60p per person and a bowl of basic gruel.
TheNickedKnockwurst on
All schools must serve porridge and a go glass of milk in the mornings with optional toppings of dried fruit and cinnamon
There’s half the problem solved already
Catering must be nationalised, the profit margins of the catering companies from schools is extraordinary
There’s the other half solved
Pay me 60k year and I’ll do it for you government
commonsense-innit on
teething problems
or you can brexit and throw the baby out with the bath water
Thebritishdovah on
Just give them baked beans. /s
That said, I am skeptical this is true. Reeks of it being out of context and likely just equipment or staffing issues.
Particular_Aide_3825 on
12 student is £7.20
Rice snaps are 85p in Asda
12 servings
3l milk £2.35 would give you 12 servings
At £3.20 you have given 12 kids cerial with £4 left over… A loaf of nevells bread is 36p and with 20 slices …more than enough to cook toast for 12 students
Tub butter £1.99 Asda
Wow so now your 12 students have cerial and toast! And still £2 left over
2x 2l cartons of pure orange juice at a pound
Means for that money your kids get cerial toast and juice! Perfect to set them up for the day!
BadgerGirl1990 on
Wait are you tell me Lee Anderson was wrong ?
*shock picachew face*
JBWalker1 on
I think people are imagining this as some big fancy breakfast set up like with school lunches with cooks and stuff. Breakfast clubs in my 2 schools were in a classroom with boxes of cereal and a couple of toasters and a teacher who came in early, probably unpaid. Thats all im expecting of this, no need for kitchens or whatever others are saying will be needed at schools.
60p will get you a big bowl of supermarket brand cereal(20p tops), couple of slices of toast(another 20p tops), and a fruit(bananas are 15p). For kids who aren’t eating this is a big help for them. Even those who do have cereal at home if they then have fruit when they get to school that’ll be a nice little boost for them too.
Theres staff costs too but 30 mins of maybe 2 teachers salary is sadly quite low.
I dont see anywhere mentioning how the funding is provided either. Is it a flat 60p per student regardless of how many attend? If so then if 25% of students attend then thats £2.40 per breakfast which is huge. Or are schools actually having to submit how many students attend breakfast club each day.
Not an ideal breakfast set up but it’s an improvement and at least the money will be efficiently used since there’s very little admin or overhead. Of the “60p” it’ll almost all go directly to a student eating, assuming it is the breakfast club type set ups which i remember and not buying pre made breakfasts from a supplier.
Dan-ze-Man on
You can’t because there is 10 middle men involved.
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Labour finding out that it was easy to critcise in opposition and giving pledges.
Which bits supposed to be funded by it?
If it’s purely for food 60p per kid per breakfast seems pretty doable no? Not saying you’d be eating luxuries but surely no ones really expecting that.
Why did they give just 60p each for one of their flagship education schemes? I can’t believe they are this stupid, there must be something I’m missing because if not this is the worst kind of gesture politics which they repeatedly claimed to be above
Interesting that some private companies submitted evidence to the CWB committee, sniffing around for some influence over breakfast clubs and referring to themselves as ‘stakeholders’. I’m sure struggling parents need their children inundated with Lego adverts during breakfast.
They need 30p Lee to show them how it’s done. With batch cooking and his undeniable genius, he could probably reduce it to 10p
Obviosly people here saying you can make it happen for 60p per child have no clue. You need catering/prep staff and supervisors for the kids, you need clean up afterwards. Then you have the food itself. And the food needs to be wholesome and nutricious and tasty (or the kids won’t want it).
It’s a great idea and gives kids a good start to the day; but really this is replacing what should be happening at home. It’s not solving the core of the problem. Schools are being used not just to educate, but to care for pupils needs… taken to its natural conclusion they will be expected to make them hot drinks and put them to bed shortly.
60p for the food yes, 60p for the staff and food and clear up and alternatives for dietary requirements and allergies, no way you can do it.
Waiting for the Deform dogs to come in and say this the fault of some immigrant
“Labour is so nasty refusing to spend the needed money to feed kids!”
You see how easy it is to say that in opposition when you don’t care for budgetary constraints? I bet the same people who slaughtered the Tories on this don’t say a fucking peep.
What we need is restaurant scolaire like they have in France. If you’ve never heard of how awesome French school meals are [check it out](https://youtu.be/rXK591Rp4BU?si=dNSyKN7AkacExiwB). Decent, universal high-quality meals teaching kids to be adventurous eaters and learn social rituals of meal sharing.
Why can’t parents just feed their own children themselves 🥲
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Food has to be prepared in commercial standard kitchen by staff who hold a minimum of Food Hygiene Certificate.
The wages for one hour for one staff member has used the combined 60p of thirty children.
Not sure this is going to work…
Give it to Lee Anderson to sort. He can feed people for 30p per meal.
All of this skirts the real issue, which is why the fuck are we letting parents get away with sending kids to school with no breakfast? Why it is the school’s job to feed the fucking kids?
My dad grew up in the 50s and knew some kids from dirt poor families – properly “shoes mended with cardboard and no flushing toilet” poor – but without exception their parents would have *died of shame* if they’d sent the kids to school without at least some oatmeal or something inside them.
Seriously. Own brand Weetabix or shreddies are *not* expensive, and neither is porridge. I work in social housing, I very much appreciate that there are lots of people struggling hard to make ends meet, but the idea that they can’t afford to give their kids a bit of toast or something simply isn’t credible.
60p will get you one banana, or maybe an apple and a half.
Weetabix and milk might be better than nothing for hungry kids, however a nation that actually cares about its young people would be willing to pay for more than the basics. It does not have to be a huge slap-up meal, however kids are still worth more than 60p per person and a bowl of basic gruel.
All schools must serve porridge and a go glass of milk in the mornings with optional toppings of dried fruit and cinnamon
There’s half the problem solved already
Catering must be nationalised, the profit margins of the catering companies from schools is extraordinary
There’s the other half solved
Pay me 60k year and I’ll do it for you government
teething problems
or you can brexit and throw the baby out with the bath water
Just give them baked beans. /s
That said, I am skeptical this is true. Reeks of it being out of context and likely just equipment or staffing issues.
12 student is £7.20
Rice snaps are 85p in Asda
12 servings
3l milk £2.35 would give you 12 servings
At £3.20 you have given 12 kids cerial with £4 left over… A loaf of nevells bread is 36p and with 20 slices …more than enough to cook toast for 12 students
Tub butter £1.99 Asda
Wow so now your 12 students have cerial and toast! And still £2 left over
2x 2l cartons of pure orange juice at a pound
Means for that money your kids get cerial toast and juice! Perfect to set them up for the day!
Wait are you tell me Lee Anderson was wrong ?
*shock picachew face*
I think people are imagining this as some big fancy breakfast set up like with school lunches with cooks and stuff. Breakfast clubs in my 2 schools were in a classroom with boxes of cereal and a couple of toasters and a teacher who came in early, probably unpaid. Thats all im expecting of this, no need for kitchens or whatever others are saying will be needed at schools.
60p will get you a big bowl of supermarket brand cereal(20p tops), couple of slices of toast(another 20p tops), and a fruit(bananas are 15p). For kids who aren’t eating this is a big help for them. Even those who do have cereal at home if they then have fruit when they get to school that’ll be a nice little boost for them too.
Theres staff costs too but 30 mins of maybe 2 teachers salary is sadly quite low.
I dont see anywhere mentioning how the funding is provided either. Is it a flat 60p per student regardless of how many attend? If so then if 25% of students attend then thats £2.40 per breakfast which is huge. Or are schools actually having to submit how many students attend breakfast club each day.
Not an ideal breakfast set up but it’s an improvement and at least the money will be efficiently used since there’s very little admin or overhead. Of the “60p” it’ll almost all go directly to a student eating, assuming it is the breakfast club type set ups which i remember and not buying pre made breakfasts from a supplier.
You can’t because there is 10 middle men involved.
No middle men no problem.