Sounds as though Starmer could change things for the better, but it will be hard to put into practice.
Plastic-Umpire4855 on
Kier has to define “working class” first… apparently not all working class are working class lol 😂
Electricbell20 on
I think it’s less about looking down working class voters and more about stop looking down on those who aren’t in the south east. Regionalism seems to be displacing classism as the many way to stratify. Of course it has routes in class but it feels like it gone far beyond that.
Thaiaaron on
When he says working class without defining it’s parameters, he means the poor.
Saint_Sin on
Having to say this or feeling the need to say this is really not good sign.
*Labour* cabinet need telling to not look down on the *working class*.
You’d think it were Tories.
martzgregpaul on
The problem is what they mean is “stop looking down on the minority of working class voters who are a bit racist and brexity and might vote reform but its fine to look down on working class voters if they are left wing, pro Europe or LGBTQ”
99thLuftballon on
He’s almost right, but I can’t help but think he’ll go about this the wrong way.
Labour – and all the mainstream political parties – need the working class to support them, not least to avoid the current situation of poorer voters being used as a weapon against democracy by unfriendly countries’ intelligence services.
But they won’t do this by validating the beliefs planted by the likes of Nigel Farage. That just concedes defeat to our enemies.
Instead, they need to absolutely hurl money at working class areas and public services. They need to prioritise funding services, transport, education, healthcare in working class areas like the national security emergency that it is.
Centrism has no solution to this problem. The solution is to increase the national debt if necessary, but use that money to improve life for the working classes. There’s literally no other choice. It’s an emergency now.
_Monsterguy_ on
Yeah, don’t look down on them…step on them, right?
Then I assume he followed that up with “Also, if you see a disabled person, give them a good kick”
IndependentTap5626 on
Doesn’t this imply that the labour cabinet and most likely other labour MP’s have been looking down on the working class? (Probably for a long time)
I bet their voters do as well.
Fit_Importance_5738 on
Know someone who lives up north and quite frankly,I am told they have been pretty much abandoned economically, few jobs, rampant crime, only new buildings are for council benefit and have nothing to do with the people that live there.
salamanderwolf on
Unless they’re trans, trans allies, disabled, on working benefits, immigrants, and any other minority they spot. Then feel free to say the most disengenious things possible for headlines so we can hoover up those sweet Tory/reform votes.
The guy isn’t a leader, he’s a sponge.
Nihil1349 on
Interesting to see Starmer recognize class at this point, your quite a while it was “working people”.
ThatGuyMaulicious on
Its good that he says this becaue it at least shows some understanding on the very shaky ground Labour are on. However if you have to say this to your cabinet only like 8 months it almost proves how out of touch Labour already are. That the past 20 years immigration has been an increasing factor in how people vote and Labour still can’t barely grasp why.
commissarcainrecaff on
Labour fetishes the working class while cringing away from them at every opportunity
Affectionate_Name522 on
This is an odd thing to say, if he said it. Kind of undermines his own party.
apeel09 on
Nearly chocked on my coffee when I read this he’s one of the worst culprits
EdmundTheInsulter on
Too little too late. All this stuff about thick racists etc is embedded in many Labour activists, so it’s a bit of a problem that people who think migration just ran out of control over 25 years are talking about voting Reform. I don’t think that refraining from laughing at people and avoiding saying they are thick racists will placate them enough now.
Aggressive_Plates on
Part of the problem is the UK civil servants absolutely hate the working class.
Despite Labour having the most working class cabinet he is surrounded by people who despise them.
Dedsnotdead on
Stop hammering small and medium businesses also, they make up just over half of U.K. turnover and employ 2/3’s of people working in this country.
If you want to increase sorely needed investment in public services and the NHS you need a growing tax base.
You just hit it with revised business rates and NI contributions. Increasing minimum wage was much needed and overdue, the rest ends up with you taking less in tax in real terms over the course of this parliament.
Or you can pay increased interest rates on your borrowing from the bond markets and have less to spend.
ancientspacewitch on
Is it just me or has there been a shift in tactics from Starmer within the last week? Maybe it’s just my American xenophobia talking but he’s been saying a lot of sensible things.
Acrobatic_Sport_7664 on
That they HAVE to be told tells me all I need to know about the ‘Labour’ Party.
A shower of self serving treacherous scoundrels.
RadiantRain3574 on
Always remember how much has been spent on the Elizabeth line and HS2 compared to the trans-pennine line. The fact that infrastructure spent isn’t being accelerated in the north tells you everything you need to know.
pixielov on
They are only following their disaster of a leader! Who let’s face it has never been working class and has no idea what a working class person is!
I think the intentions are good, but he’s falling into the trap of homogenising the working class, especially as them all being primarily concerned with immigration.
Definitely listen to the working class, but to truly do that you need to go and speak to them and not go into that conversation presuming you already know what they’ll say
TEZofAllTrades on
Well, if that ain’t the pot calling the kettle elitist while throwing it under the bus…?
OrdoRidiculous on
That’s rich, coming from the guy that seems intent on criminalising most of the opinions held by the working class.
Capital-Wolverine532 on
Says the man who was looking down on Brexit voters and wanting to disregard their vote
Travel-Barry on
The latest episode of the News Agents had Ash Sarkar on who explained it so well, in that the Left (broadly, philosophically) is so fractured that it requires a degree in of itself to actually have a conversation without being looked down on.
Somebody could be all for stronger workers rights or better social protections — but if they aren’t read up on the latest trans issue or haven’t got the correct view regarding the Israel vs. Hamas situation, then they’re looked down on as not being part of the same group.
The Left — especially in recent years before the election — would much rather snipe and stab their own party to the very benefit of the Right. They’d almost prefer to have a Right wing leader than a slightly more centrist Left wing leader.
Exhausting.
Ok_Screen1009 on
It’s a harsh reminder of these times that your government has to be reminded of this.
Aconite_Eagle on
Maybe just start trying to pursue policies which help them then like bringing down energy costs, reducing our water bills, getting our cost of living down. I can’t cope with these fucking bills anymore mate they’re getting pretty radicalising for me…
JustChris40 on
His whole party looks down on them include him. This virtue signalling b.s. is so transparent.
Ananingininana on
Imagine this coming from the head of the Labour party… Oh
bluemoviebaz on
Interestingly Starmer and his cronies hate the working class certainly in the private sector
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Sounds as though Starmer could change things for the better, but it will be hard to put into practice.
Kier has to define “working class” first… apparently not all working class are working class lol 😂
I think it’s less about looking down working class voters and more about stop looking down on those who aren’t in the south east. Regionalism seems to be displacing classism as the many way to stratify. Of course it has routes in class but it feels like it gone far beyond that.
When he says working class without defining it’s parameters, he means the poor.
Having to say this or feeling the need to say this is really not good sign.
*Labour* cabinet need telling to not look down on the *working class*.
You’d think it were Tories.
The problem is what they mean is “stop looking down on the minority of working class voters who are a bit racist and brexity and might vote reform but its fine to look down on working class voters if they are left wing, pro Europe or LGBTQ”
He’s almost right, but I can’t help but think he’ll go about this the wrong way.
Labour – and all the mainstream political parties – need the working class to support them, not least to avoid the current situation of poorer voters being used as a weapon against democracy by unfriendly countries’ intelligence services.
But they won’t do this by validating the beliefs planted by the likes of Nigel Farage. That just concedes defeat to our enemies.
Instead, they need to absolutely hurl money at working class areas and public services. They need to prioritise funding services, transport, education, healthcare in working class areas like the national security emergency that it is.
Centrism has no solution to this problem. The solution is to increase the national debt if necessary, but use that money to improve life for the working classes. There’s literally no other choice. It’s an emergency now.
Yeah, don’t look down on them…step on them, right?
Then I assume he followed that up with “Also, if you see a disabled person, give them a good kick”
Doesn’t this imply that the labour cabinet and most likely other labour MP’s have been looking down on the working class? (Probably for a long time)
I bet their voters do as well.
Know someone who lives up north and quite frankly,I am told they have been pretty much abandoned economically, few jobs, rampant crime, only new buildings are for council benefit and have nothing to do with the people that live there.
Unless they’re trans, trans allies, disabled, on working benefits, immigrants, and any other minority they spot. Then feel free to say the most disengenious things possible for headlines so we can hoover up those sweet Tory/reform votes.
The guy isn’t a leader, he’s a sponge.
Interesting to see Starmer recognize class at this point, your quite a while it was “working people”.
Its good that he says this becaue it at least shows some understanding on the very shaky ground Labour are on. However if you have to say this to your cabinet only like 8 months it almost proves how out of touch Labour already are. That the past 20 years immigration has been an increasing factor in how people vote and Labour still can’t barely grasp why.
Labour fetishes the working class while cringing away from them at every opportunity
This is an odd thing to say, if he said it. Kind of undermines his own party.
Nearly chocked on my coffee when I read this he’s one of the worst culprits
Too little too late. All this stuff about thick racists etc is embedded in many Labour activists, so it’s a bit of a problem that people who think migration just ran out of control over 25 years are talking about voting Reform. I don’t think that refraining from laughing at people and avoiding saying they are thick racists will placate them enough now.
Part of the problem is the UK civil servants absolutely hate the working class.
Despite Labour having the most working class cabinet he is surrounded by people who despise them.
Stop hammering small and medium businesses also, they make up just over half of U.K. turnover and employ 2/3’s of people working in this country.
If you want to increase sorely needed investment in public services and the NHS you need a growing tax base.
You just hit it with revised business rates and NI contributions. Increasing minimum wage was much needed and overdue, the rest ends up with you taking less in tax in real terms over the course of this parliament.
Or you can pay increased interest rates on your borrowing from the bond markets and have less to spend.
Is it just me or has there been a shift in tactics from Starmer within the last week? Maybe it’s just my American xenophobia talking but he’s been saying a lot of sensible things.
That they HAVE to be told tells me all I need to know about the ‘Labour’ Party.
A shower of self serving treacherous scoundrels.
Always remember how much has been spent on the Elizabeth line and HS2 compared to the trans-pennine line. The fact that infrastructure spent isn’t being accelerated in the north tells you everything you need to know.
They are only following their disaster of a leader! Who let’s face it has never been working class and has no idea what a working class person is!
They should do the same with disabled people and stop the trend of every successive government targeting them for cuts due to alleged ‘fraud’ despite disability benefit fraud being less than 1% when you have millionaire tax dodgers getting away scott free [Source](https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/2014/may/benefits-fraud-less-one-cent) [Another source](https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/zero-percent-fraud-rate-for-pip,-dwp-figures-show)
I think the intentions are good, but he’s falling into the trap of homogenising the working class, especially as them all being primarily concerned with immigration.
Definitely listen to the working class, but to truly do that you need to go and speak to them and not go into that conversation presuming you already know what they’ll say
Well, if that ain’t the pot calling the kettle elitist while throwing it under the bus…?
That’s rich, coming from the guy that seems intent on criminalising most of the opinions held by the working class.
Says the man who was looking down on Brexit voters and wanting to disregard their vote
The latest episode of the News Agents had Ash Sarkar on who explained it so well, in that the Left (broadly, philosophically) is so fractured that it requires a degree in of itself to actually have a conversation without being looked down on.
Somebody could be all for stronger workers rights or better social protections — but if they aren’t read up on the latest trans issue or haven’t got the correct view regarding the Israel vs. Hamas situation, then they’re looked down on as not being part of the same group.
The Left — especially in recent years before the election — would much rather snipe and stab their own party to the very benefit of the Right. They’d almost prefer to have a Right wing leader than a slightly more centrist Left wing leader.
Exhausting.
It’s a harsh reminder of these times that your government has to be reminded of this.
Maybe just start trying to pursue policies which help them then like bringing down energy costs, reducing our water bills, getting our cost of living down. I can’t cope with these fucking bills anymore mate they’re getting pretty radicalising for me…
His whole party looks down on them include him. This virtue signalling b.s. is so transparent.
Imagine this coming from the head of the Labour party… Oh
Interestingly Starmer and his cronies hate the working class certainly in the private sector