>Asked about Vance’s initial comments, Starmer’s official spokesperson did not directly address them but reiterated the fact that UK forces had fought recently alongside their American counterparts.
Starmer should learn a little from Trudeau’s playbook. His party’s poll number has shot up after he stood firm for Canadian interest in the face of disrespect from America. It’d be wise for Starmer to say something meaningful about what Vance just said, or he’d be seen as a pushover in the public’s eye.
boingwater on
Since WWII, we’ve taken part in (off the top of my head) the Korean war, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, all to support the US, and this is what we get. They should be thanking us.
socratic-meth on
> A proposed minerals agreement would give the US more economic interests in Ukraine and thus provide “a way better security guarantee than 20,000 troops from some random country that has not fought a war in 30 or 40 years”, Vance said.
Misuse of the word random correlates positively with being an idiot.
Ruin_In_The_Dark on
I, for one, can’t wait to hear Nigel explaining how this is perfectly fine.
weetawyxie on
Can we as a country realize the active contempt Americans have for us, please.
Spottswoodeforgod on
Personally, I find them so utterly ridiculous (and blatantly untrue), that I find it hard to be too upset by them.
Typh00n74 on
I for one will now be buying all my new trainers from sports direct instead.
SingerFirm1090 on
TBF, the US successfully invaded Grenada, though as the local boy scouts were at camp, that was a bit easier.
blackleydynamo on
It’s a rare and unusual day when I find myself agreeing with a Tory, much less a former minister, on anything, but hats off to Johnny Mercer the former Veterans Minister for this beauty:
“This clown needs to check his privilege. I read @JDVance book making the mistake of finding him quite interesting. By his own admission he spent his time in the Marines “writing articles and taking pictures”.
Perhaps if he had got his hands dirty serving his country like so many of his fellow American and British veterans, chasing his own country’s crazy foreign policy ideas, he might not be so quick to dismiss their sacrifice.”
Bravo sir 👍
el_grort on
The pattern that seems to be developing:
>Vance speaks
>*That annoyed everybody*
Red_Maple on
Starmer keeps saying the US and the UK are “on the same page”, well that page is looking crazier by the day.
Darkone539 on
Worth pointing out this is the same thing Russia says before saying we’re the problem the next day and risking nuclear war.
ruumis on
I think we should put our best suit on and thank Vance – thanks to him, Farage has to either (reluctantly) side with the pro-Ukraine camp or slide into complete political irrelevance.
NewEnglander94 on
Thank you to the UK for all you’ve done for the US. You’re the greatest nation in the world, and if I could become a British citizen and move, I would! Trust me.
– a New Englander
theOxCanFlipOff on
Trump has a logic of his own but Vance is a random donkey
banbha19981998 on
What is their strategy here? Isolate china? Just seems to lack any real direction.
_HGCenty on
> On Tuesday, Vance said it was “absurdly dishonest” to argue that he had been referring to the UK or France, despite the countries being at the forefront of efforts to provide a non-US peacekeeping force.
> “I don’t even mention the UK or France in the clip, both of whom have fought bravely alongside the US over the last 20 years, and beyond,” he tweeted. “But let’s be direct: there are many countries who are volunteering (privately or publicly) support who have neither the battlefield experience nor the military equipment to do anything meaningful.”
America doesn’t have the battlefield experience for this new type of neo-WW1 drone and trench warfare. Almost no country has. Except maybe two. And one of which was an American ally and just had its support removed.
Brexit-Broke-Britain on
Farage is best mates with Trump and Vance. He damaged the UK with Brexit, he sides with Putin rather than Zelensky and plans to damage the UK further in the future.
Old-Buffalo-5151 on
Out of everything he could have done to piss the British off this is probably the worst. This makes it effectively impossible for ANYONE to stand with America
I highly doubt that state visit is going to Happen now there is no way its political feasible ESPECIALLY because the kings own son was fighting in that war (his present popularity none withstanding)
bob_nugget_the_3rd on
Ah yes France and Britain not being involved in any armed conflict in the last 20 years, if only there was some way you could take 30 seconds and Google it to check
Jackie_Gan on
We all know he is a muppet. Honestly who cares what he has to say, his job is literally just cup Trump’s bollocks
snakeandcake12 on
Insane how America has no mechanism for absolute batshit crazy governments taking over
Sea_Puddle on
The man’s a prick just slap him on the back of the head for good luck if he passes you.
ghost-bagel on
Can’t wait to see Farage bootlick his way around this one.
GreenValeGarden on
Vietnam, Korean War, Gulf War part 1, Gulf War part 2, the Syria fuckup, the Libya debacle gave them Diageo Garcia for a staging post with Afghanistan, part of five eyes that allowed them to spy on the EU and the EU let us just so we stayed in the EU, buying their shit military equipment when we should have bought European/UK. Fuck em. Seriously, fuck em. How many British and allied soldiers died for Vance’s fucking comments. And not one word from any senate or house Republican. Forever fuck em.
We had to beg Reagan for rockets during the Falklands war. What was the price we had to give them? Still a secret.
Fresh_Mountain_Snow on
When will the UK catch up god damn it. Go it alone. Dont trust these people. Deplatform and ignore them. Just do it. Now.
Capital_Leg_3225 on
Shameless Nige now coming out against the comments. He’s been 4 foot up the Trump governments backside up until 5 minutes ago.
He loves everything they are and stand for and is surprised these back stabbers have insulted us now
YoshiiBoii on
Don’t worry guys he didn’t mean it how we all understood it… he meant it in a really respectful way but we just didn’t understand him properly.
TrinidadJazz on
JD vance is so insufferable I can barely put it into words. I’m just sick of this tedious game where:
• Vance says something incorrect/insulting
• People respond, pointing out why he’s wrong or out of order
• Vance treats us like idiots and either moves the goalposts, denies what we all heard, or claims *we’re* in the wrong for pointing out his lies.
He did it in the Vice Presidential debate (“You guys said you wouldn’t do fact-checking), in the aftermath of his comments about Haitians eating cats and dogs (“If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that’s what I’m going to do,”) and with Zelensky on Friday (critising Zelensky for being disrespectful when Zelensky pointed out why his comments on diplomacy were short-sighted).
He can fuck **right** off.
He’s such a snide, self-serving, abhorrent person. I really worry for the world when he eventually takes over from Trump.
Edit: Typos
WitteringLaconic on
JD Vance now trying to backpeddle claiming he didn’t mean the UK but not actually stating which country he meant. Only problem is the rest of the world knew that’s exactly who he meant when he stated 20,000 troops.
bostero2 on
Don’t fall into his trap, he’s the personification of bait. He wants to cause a global conflict and all of this is his best attempt to do it, the sabotage of the Zelensky meeting was his first move.
RandomSculler on
Well apart from Badenoch who backs JD Vance’s claim he wasn’t talking about the UK despite it being very clear he was
Are we absolutely sure she’s not a Reform plant? With even Farage calling the comments unacceptable it’s giving reform some breathing room on their pro-Putin and pro-Trump position which is becoming more and more niche in the Uk
Cute_Ad_9730 on
The ‘gaslighting’ is ridiculous. Russia has invaded a Sovereign country against any reasonable International law or moral values. This criminal behaviour is now being supported by the US or at least capitulated. US cannot dictate outcomes in Europe. Either Trump is actively acting on Russias behalf or is purely focused on his own deranged power grab. He’s already broke promises made on Ukrains defended state when they agree to give up Nuclear weapons. He is a convicted criminal with no moral compass unfit to be in business let alone POTUS. Rest of the world needs to act independently and isolate the US at this point. Only consolidated action by Europe and NATO without US can and must stop this now.
tralker on
The nutters on r/conservative are touting him as the next pick for the GOP in 2028 – I really hope everything this weasly cunt says bites him straight back in the arse
Redcoat-Mic on
Where’s the big brained centrists who keep sneering at everyone saying we should stand up to this kind of shit?
Sick of being told that taking endless abuse from deranged fascists is “a thing called diplomacy, actually?”
They need to be told to get fucked.
Blank3k on
UK moving away from the US is long overdue, politically too unstable & highly untrustworthy – no point, focus on supporting our actual neighbours in Europe & bring things more in house, how we got to the point of paying the US for our nuclear weapons on tick rather than constructing and maintaining our own deterrent is odd.
EgoCity on
Yet his commander in chief hid and was too scared to fight for his country
Psy_Kikk on
This is all about narative pitching to Maga – they’ll beleive almsot anything they’re told at this point, being a cult, but they need to be told it first, and not in a subtle way or they won’t get it.
They want to isolate the US, and bankrupt it essentially, so the rich can buy it all up and then rent it out. It’s all about money, it’s always about money.
LaraCroft_MyFaveDrug on
I was 18 when 9/11 happened. I was in the army cadets of some years and a lance corporal. I was close to joining the army but chose not to. I would have understood using intelligence services to find and eliminate Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussain. It needn’t have been open warfare. Countless soldiers died. Countless civilians died. Seeing America today I’m glad I didn’t join the army if this is the thanks we get
MySneakyAccount1489 on
>On Tuesday, Vance said it was “absurdly dishonest” to argue that he had been referring to the UK or France, despite the countries being at the forefront of efforts to provide a non-US peacekeeping force.
>“I don’t even mention the UK or France in the clip, both of whom have fought bravely alongside the US over the last 20 years, and beyond,” he tweeted.
So who is he talking about? …the Baltic states? Albania?
OldPyjama on
The UK sacrificed lives for that piece of shit country after 9/11. I guess that counts for nothing.
What does this cocksuck want in the end? Didn’t he want Europe to defend itself?
cokeknows on
The biggest disillusionment americans face is their military prowess.
They fucked around in ww1
Refused to help and came stubbornly late in ww2
Fucked up korea
Fucked up vietnam
Fucked up the middle east
And claim they managed all these things by themselves and want a pat on the back for it. Thinking these great ‘victories’ are why they can’t be touched. When in reality america is just such a massive pointless shithole no one in their right mind would want to invade it.
RedOneThousand on
“In contrast to Cartlidge [Conservative shadow defence secretary who condemned JDV’s comments], Kemi Badenoch declined to condemn Vance’s remarks. “I know JD Vance quite well,” the Conservative leader told GB News. “I’ve looked at the comments; I don’t think he actually said that. A lot of people are getting carried away.”
She doesn’t think JDV slagged off the UK and France? Wow, we can see where here loyalties lie – hint, it’s not with the UK.
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>Asked about Vance’s initial comments, Starmer’s official spokesperson did not directly address them but reiterated the fact that UK forces had fought recently alongside their American counterparts.
Starmer should learn a little from Trudeau’s playbook. His party’s poll number has shot up after he stood firm for Canadian interest in the face of disrespect from America. It’d be wise for Starmer to say something meaningful about what Vance just said, or he’d be seen as a pushover in the public’s eye.
Since WWII, we’ve taken part in (off the top of my head) the Korean war, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, all to support the US, and this is what we get. They should be thanking us.
> A proposed minerals agreement would give the US more economic interests in Ukraine and thus provide “a way better security guarantee than 20,000 troops from some random country that has not fought a war in 30 or 40 years”, Vance said.
Misuse of the word random correlates positively with being an idiot.
I, for one, can’t wait to hear Nigel explaining how this is perfectly fine.
Can we as a country realize the active contempt Americans have for us, please.
Personally, I find them so utterly ridiculous (and blatantly untrue), that I find it hard to be too upset by them.
I for one will now be buying all my new trainers from sports direct instead.
TBF, the US successfully invaded Grenada, though as the local boy scouts were at camp, that was a bit easier.
It’s a rare and unusual day when I find myself agreeing with a Tory, much less a former minister, on anything, but hats off to Johnny Mercer the former Veterans Minister for this beauty:
“This clown needs to check his privilege. I read @JDVance book making the mistake of finding him quite interesting. By his own admission he spent his time in the Marines “writing articles and taking pictures”.
Perhaps if he had got his hands dirty serving his country like so many of his fellow American and British veterans, chasing his own country’s crazy foreign policy ideas, he might not be so quick to dismiss their sacrifice.”
Bravo sir 👍
The pattern that seems to be developing:
>Vance speaks
>*That annoyed everybody*
Starmer keeps saying the US and the UK are “on the same page”, well that page is looking crazier by the day.
Worth pointing out this is the same thing Russia says before saying we’re the problem the next day and risking nuclear war.
I think we should put our best suit on and thank Vance – thanks to him, Farage has to either (reluctantly) side with the pro-Ukraine camp or slide into complete political irrelevance.
Thank you to the UK for all you’ve done for the US. You’re the greatest nation in the world, and if I could become a British citizen and move, I would! Trust me.
– a New Englander
Trump has a logic of his own but Vance is a random donkey
What is their strategy here? Isolate china? Just seems to lack any real direction.
> On Tuesday, Vance said it was “absurdly dishonest” to argue that he had been referring to the UK or France, despite the countries being at the forefront of efforts to provide a non-US peacekeeping force.
> “I don’t even mention the UK or France in the clip, both of whom have fought bravely alongside the US over the last 20 years, and beyond,” he tweeted. “But let’s be direct: there are many countries who are volunteering (privately or publicly) support who have neither the battlefield experience nor the military equipment to do anything meaningful.”
America doesn’t have the battlefield experience for this new type of neo-WW1 drone and trench warfare. Almost no country has. Except maybe two. And one of which was an American ally and just had its support removed.
Farage is best mates with Trump and Vance. He damaged the UK with Brexit, he sides with Putin rather than Zelensky and plans to damage the UK further in the future.
Out of everything he could have done to piss the British off this is probably the worst. This makes it effectively impossible for ANYONE to stand with America
I highly doubt that state visit is going to Happen now there is no way its political feasible ESPECIALLY because the kings own son was fighting in that war (his present popularity none withstanding)
Ah yes France and Britain not being involved in any armed conflict in the last 20 years, if only there was some way you could take 30 seconds and Google it to check
We all know he is a muppet. Honestly who cares what he has to say, his job is literally just cup Trump’s bollocks
Insane how America has no mechanism for absolute batshit crazy governments taking over
The man’s a prick just slap him on the back of the head for good luck if he passes you.
Can’t wait to see Farage bootlick his way around this one.
Vietnam, Korean War, Gulf War part 1, Gulf War part 2, the Syria fuckup, the Libya debacle gave them Diageo Garcia for a staging post with Afghanistan, part of five eyes that allowed them to spy on the EU and the EU let us just so we stayed in the EU, buying their shit military equipment when we should have bought European/UK. Fuck em. Seriously, fuck em. How many British and allied soldiers died for Vance’s fucking comments. And not one word from any senate or house Republican. Forever fuck em.
We had to beg Reagan for rockets during the Falklands war. What was the price we had to give them? Still a secret.
When will the UK catch up god damn it. Go it alone. Dont trust these people. Deplatform and ignore them. Just do it. Now.
Shameless Nige now coming out against the comments. He’s been 4 foot up the Trump governments backside up until 5 minutes ago.
He loves everything they are and stand for and is surprised these back stabbers have insulted us now
Don’t worry guys he didn’t mean it how we all understood it… he meant it in a really respectful way but we just didn’t understand him properly.
JD vance is so insufferable I can barely put it into words. I’m just sick of this tedious game where:
• Vance says something incorrect/insulting
• People respond, pointing out why he’s wrong or out of order
• Vance treats us like idiots and either moves the goalposts, denies what we all heard, or claims *we’re* in the wrong for pointing out his lies.
He did it in the Vice Presidential debate (“You guys said you wouldn’t do fact-checking), in the aftermath of his comments about Haitians eating cats and dogs (“If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that’s what I’m going to do,”) and with Zelensky on Friday (critising Zelensky for being disrespectful when Zelensky pointed out why his comments on diplomacy were short-sighted).
He can fuck **right** off.
He’s such a snide, self-serving, abhorrent person. I really worry for the world when he eventually takes over from Trump.
Edit: Typos
JD Vance now trying to backpeddle claiming he didn’t mean the UK but not actually stating which country he meant. Only problem is the rest of the world knew that’s exactly who he meant when he stated 20,000 troops.
Don’t fall into his trap, he’s the personification of bait. He wants to cause a global conflict and all of this is his best attempt to do it, the sabotage of the Zelensky meeting was his first move.
Well apart from Badenoch who backs JD Vance’s claim he wasn’t talking about the UK despite it being very clear he was
Are we absolutely sure she’s not a Reform plant? With even Farage calling the comments unacceptable it’s giving reform some breathing room on their pro-Putin and pro-Trump position which is becoming more and more niche in the Uk
The ‘gaslighting’ is ridiculous. Russia has invaded a Sovereign country against any reasonable International law or moral values. This criminal behaviour is now being supported by the US or at least capitulated. US cannot dictate outcomes in Europe. Either Trump is actively acting on Russias behalf or is purely focused on his own deranged power grab. He’s already broke promises made on Ukrains defended state when they agree to give up Nuclear weapons. He is a convicted criminal with no moral compass unfit to be in business let alone POTUS. Rest of the world needs to act independently and isolate the US at this point. Only consolidated action by Europe and NATO without US can and must stop this now.
The nutters on r/conservative are touting him as the next pick for the GOP in 2028 – I really hope everything this weasly cunt says bites him straight back in the arse
Where’s the big brained centrists who keep sneering at everyone saying we should stand up to this kind of shit?
Sick of being told that taking endless abuse from deranged fascists is “a thing called diplomacy, actually?”
They need to be told to get fucked.
UK moving away from the US is long overdue, politically too unstable & highly untrustworthy – no point, focus on supporting our actual neighbours in Europe & bring things more in house, how we got to the point of paying the US for our nuclear weapons on tick rather than constructing and maintaining our own deterrent is odd.
Yet his commander in chief hid and was too scared to fight for his country
This is all about narative pitching to Maga – they’ll beleive almsot anything they’re told at this point, being a cult, but they need to be told it first, and not in a subtle way or they won’t get it.
They want to isolate the US, and bankrupt it essentially, so the rich can buy it all up and then rent it out. It’s all about money, it’s always about money.
I was 18 when 9/11 happened. I was in the army cadets of some years and a lance corporal. I was close to joining the army but chose not to. I would have understood using intelligence services to find and eliminate Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussain. It needn’t have been open warfare. Countless soldiers died. Countless civilians died. Seeing America today I’m glad I didn’t join the army if this is the thanks we get
>On Tuesday, Vance said it was “absurdly dishonest” to argue that he had been referring to the UK or France, despite the countries being at the forefront of efforts to provide a non-US peacekeeping force.
>“I don’t even mention the UK or France in the clip, both of whom have fought bravely alongside the US over the last 20 years, and beyond,” he tweeted.
So who is he talking about? …the Baltic states? Albania?
The UK sacrificed lives for that piece of shit country after 9/11. I guess that counts for nothing.
What does this cocksuck want in the end? Didn’t he want Europe to defend itself?
The biggest disillusionment americans face is their military prowess.
They fucked around in ww1
Refused to help and came stubbornly late in ww2
Fucked up korea
Fucked up vietnam
Fucked up the middle east
And claim they managed all these things by themselves and want a pat on the back for it. Thinking these great ‘victories’ are why they can’t be touched. When in reality america is just such a massive pointless shithole no one in their right mind would want to invade it.
“In contrast to Cartlidge [Conservative shadow defence secretary who condemned JDV’s comments], Kemi Badenoch declined to condemn Vance’s remarks. “I know JD Vance quite well,” the Conservative leader told GB News. “I’ve looked at the comments; I don’t think he actually said that. A lot of people are getting carried away.”
She doesn’t think JDV slagged off the UK and France? Wow, we can see where here loyalties lie – hint, it’s not with the UK.