If anything it’d be three tiers, the rich ain’t going on the poor persons tier.
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The irony is that the ethnic minorities are against it
>Shabana Mahmood, the Justice Secretary, wrote to the Sentencing Council urging it to reverse its changes to the guidance and registering her “displeasure”.
Ms Mahmood replied: “As somebody of ethnic minority background myself, I do not stand for any differential treatment before the law for anyone of any kind. There will be no two-tier sentencing approach on my watch or under this Government.”
Intimatepunch on
I didn’t even have to click the link to know it was the telegraph
JPK12794 on
Hey there is is the daily article from the telegraph
Edit: for the fact crowd, if the sources for the telegraph article are telegraph articles whose sources are telegraph articles it’s maybe a tiny bit biased.
Overstaying_579 on
In basic English: “We have simply run out of prison space and we’re trying to figure out a way how to deal with criminals, whilst at the same time maintaining and trying to control the current prison population.”
Extreme-Space-4035 on
All ethnic minorities or are certain ethnic minorities given this privilege and some a disadvantage? Seen as a victim privilege?
FrustratedPCBuild on
Why is Jenrick still a thing? Caught in the act of naked corruption with Richard Desmond, his career should have been a distant memory by now yet the media literally never mentions it now.
howlongcanimakemyna on
And people wonder why reform are becoming major players.
ArcticAlmond on
So, when people where shouting ‘Two-tier Kier’ were they describing what was or what was to come?
This is not surprising. It’s been happening for years. The super rich, celebs, football players and white women have been getting special treatment for ever.
This just means if a you’re a poor white male, you’re fucked. But everyone kinda knew that already.
Plus-Cloud-9608 on
The metropolitan left wingers truly despise white, working class British people. Like, sectarian, ethnicised hatred.
Postdiluvian27 on
“Alongside ethnic background, the guidance says judges and magistrates should consider pre-sentence reports necessary if the offender was a woman, aged 18 to 25, at risk of their first jail sentence or a prison term of two years or less, pregnant or post-natal or the sole or primary carer for a dependent relative.
Other factors included an offender disclosing that they were transgender, had an addiction to drugs or alcohol, a chronic health condition or were victims of domestic abuse, modern slavery or grooming.
The Sentencing Council said that these factors are not an exhaustive list and a pre-sentence report can still be necessary if an individual does not fall into one of these cohorts.”
So younger adults, suspects facing a short sentence or their first prison term, carers, those with substance abuse problems… this covers a huge number of people. Odd that the Telegraph only put the part about ethnicity in its headline.
Rumthiefno1 on
Trust the telegraph to write an inflammatory headline:
There’s another report from the sentencing council as well dealing with male and female offenders, but that I’ll leave for now.
life-is-a-simulation on
I was ready to read what’s really happening and go they are exaggerating as this can’t be really true.
My god, it’s really true! Who the fuck possibly thinks this is a good idea. The full blown nutters have taken over the judiciary.
Logical_Hare on
I love how they’re still trying to make the attempted pogrom last summer retroactively “okay” via these complaints of two-tier policing.
Top-Ambition-6966 on
Can we have like a one Torygraph article daily cap please
gintokireddit on
It’s a response to BAME convicts currently being more likely to get a custodial sentence, and BAME job applicants (with equalised CVs) already needing to send more applications to get interviews, which custodial sentences could in some cases compound (employment gap). It’s not “you will get a lower sentence if you’re in these groups”, but that more will be taken into consideration. This also applies to people who are known to have mental health issues, be victims of abuse, have long-term health issues or other circumstances that could be mitigating or could make them at greater risk of harm in prison. Maybe some rationale is to do with certain psychological stresses being more correlated (not 100% correlated) with being certain minorities?
It’s not a Labour policy, as the Sentencing Council is independent.
WengersJacketZip on
Robert Jenrick? he’s one to talk about two-tier justice when he gets away with corruption
TrinidadJazz on
> Alongside ethnic background, the guidance says judges and magistrates should consider pre-sentence reports necessary if the offender was a woman, aged 18 to 25, at risk of their first jail sentence or a prison term of two years or less, pregnant or post-natal or the sole or primary carer for a dependent relative. Other factors included an offender disclosing that they were transgender, had an addiction to drugs or alcohol, a chronic health condition or were victims of domestic abuse, modern slavery or grooming.
This is covers a VERY large cohort of the people that are likely to be convicted of a crime.
I’m not in favour of ethnicity being a reason to give someone a shorter sentence but, as always, the Telegraph headline (and politicians) are being misleading here.
LiksTheBread on
Not that I agree or disagree but this sub is just the Telegraph (and its slant, creative interpretations and audience of ghouls) for people who don’t want to touch the Telegraph with a 10 foot pole. hardly any “news” in this country. Piss off.
PatriotMemesOfficial on
Anything to convince you the poor man of a different race is your enemy rather than the rich man living in the damn castle looking down on you both. You guys think a country as racist and populism-driven as the UK is actually fucking over the white man in favour of ethnic minorities who have literally almost zero social power in this country? Use your critical thinking skills for 3 seconds. Who would even be ready to believe this other than moronic racists? It doesn’t even make sense at face value as a claim from any angle, let alone the fact that it entirely crumbles into nothing upon further research.
It would be lovely if all your issues in the world turned out to be because of some insane planned out invasion by a bunch of people from different, impoverished, unstable countries, all planning one of the grandest most convoluted conspiracies ever in the world. But it’s not is it. It’s the rich old men who want to convince you other poor people are taking your shit, rather than they, whom sit in their piles of your money.
They own the fucking newspaper. How would immigrants even engineer this system when the owners of this paper are the type of people who run the country and clearly they hate the immigrants? Make it make any kind of sense, please.
NoddusWoddus on
The amount of people in this comment section who refuse/cannot read what the guidelines said is really sad.
Dedsnotdead on
What if the accused identifies as mixed race or as an ethnic minority despite appearing to be white?
“I am who I say I am, you must respect my identity” how does this play out?
What if, at first glance, I appear to be a Caucasian male but identify as a woman of mixed race, doI get a pass?
Far_Thought9747 on
Even though i disliked Labour before they got in, Starmer has done quite a few things that have won me over slightly, and now It seems they’re being screwed over by our own judicial system.
They’ve repeatedly overuled our home office and Labour’s decisions on deporting foreign criminals by using their own interpretation of the law, and now they’re introducing guidance that will only infuriate right wingers more, even when labour have stated they disprove of the changes.
Why do we seem hellbent on handing our country to right-wing politics. This is what happened in America. The citizens became disgruntled, and now they have nut jobs in charge.
NefariousnessFar1334 on
Of course the telegraph cherrypicks it to only ethnic minorities but it is true, for some reason women get preferential treatment aswell so nice to see that if you’re a white man you are just fucked but pretty much everyone else gets preferential treatment whatever that means.
Literal 2 tier right there, just actually shocking.
merryman1 on
Rich coming from Brown Envelope Bob. The editors of The Telegraph are probably paying him to say this crap so they can keep their readership numbers up.
xwsrx on
It’s amazing how transparent the efforts are to trigger readers, and how easily so many are triggered.
Who branded it “two tier”?
Answer – the firebrand writing the article.
This country would be infinitely better off if Telegraph readers had even the smallest bit of awareness.
masons_J on
Should take a few more things and I think more people will start noticing that we are heading down a very dark path.
It’s a uniparty.
And no, I wouldn’t trust Farage to butter my toast either.
sammy_bananaz on
Didn’t this get denounced by the justice minster as a proposal. So rage bait over nothing…
Conscious-Peach-541 on
Everyone who is convicted of a crime should receive sentencing according to the crime committed and extenuating circumstances, not be sentenced according to their ethnicity.
Glittering-Truth-957 on
I don’t think there should be any mitigating factors considered. Treat equal crimes equally.
Equity for me but not for thee is the attitude of this country.
SpoiltBastard on
I’m disappointed at the deafening silence from Reddit SJW contributors over this story – Where’s at least one progressive voice that agrees with every single one of these sentencing guidelines??
PaleShadowNight on
Honestly at this point, ReformUK’s media just writes it’s fucking self.
,
ExpensiveOrder349 on
As an immigrant that could be considered an ethnic minority, I strongly oppose two tier justice, I think this country is going to shit because some people hate it and what it stands for: democracy, equality and freedom, and its heritage. We should defend it by protesting.
Zofia-Bosak on
Article 7 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) states: “All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law”. Thus, it states that everyone must be treated equally under the law regardless of race, gender, color, ethnicity, religion, disability, or other characteristics, without privilege, discrimination or bias.
Late-Ad4964 on
This is the sorta stuff that will result in Reform being elected next time round; ordinary people are tired of it. Watch this space!
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If anything it’d be three tiers, the rich ain’t going on the poor persons tier.
The irony is that the ethnic minorities are against it
>Shabana Mahmood, the Justice Secretary, wrote to the Sentencing Council urging it to reverse its changes to the guidance and registering her “displeasure”.
Ms Mahmood replied: “As somebody of ethnic minority background myself, I do not stand for any differential treatment before the law for anyone of any kind. There will be no two-tier sentencing approach on my watch or under this Government.”
I didn’t even have to click the link to know it was the telegraph
Hey there is is the daily article from the telegraph
Edit: for the fact crowd, if the sources for the telegraph article are telegraph articles whose sources are telegraph articles it’s maybe a tiny bit biased.
In basic English: “We have simply run out of prison space and we’re trying to figure out a way how to deal with criminals, whilst at the same time maintaining and trying to control the current prison population.”
All ethnic minorities or are certain ethnic minorities given this privilege and some a disadvantage? Seen as a victim privilege?
Why is Jenrick still a thing? Caught in the act of naked corruption with Richard Desmond, his career should have been a distant memory by now yet the media literally never mentions it now.
And people wonder why reform are becoming major players.
So, when people where shouting ‘Two-tier Kier’ were they describing what was or what was to come?
This is the report:
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/overarching-guides/magistrates-court/item/imposition-of-community-and-custodial-sentences-overarching-guideline/#3.%20Pre-sentence%20reports%20(PSRs)
It includes women, under 25s, and a few others
This is not surprising. It’s been happening for years. The super rich, celebs, football players and white women have been getting special treatment for ever.
This just means if a you’re a poor white male, you’re fucked. But everyone kinda knew that already.
The metropolitan left wingers truly despise white, working class British people. Like, sectarian, ethnicised hatred.
“Alongside ethnic background, the guidance says judges and magistrates should consider pre-sentence reports necessary if the offender was a woman, aged 18 to 25, at risk of their first jail sentence or a prison term of two years or less, pregnant or post-natal or the sole or primary carer for a dependent relative.
Other factors included an offender disclosing that they were transgender, had an addiction to drugs or alcohol, a chronic health condition or were victims of domestic abuse, modern slavery or grooming.
The Sentencing Council said that these factors are not an exhaustive list and a pre-sentence report can still be necessary if an individual does not fall into one of these cohorts.”
So younger adults, suspects facing a short sentence or their first prison term, carers, those with substance abuse problems… this covers a huge number of people. Odd that the Telegraph only put the part about ethnicity in its headline.
Trust the telegraph to write an inflammatory headline:
https://www.sentencingacademy.org.uk/disproportionality-in-sentencing-for-black-asian-and-minority-ethnic-defendants/#:~:text=People%20from%20Black%2C%20Asian%2C%20and,in%20custody%20than%20white%20people.
There’s another report from the sentencing council as well dealing with male and female offenders, but that I’ll leave for now.
I was ready to read what’s really happening and go they are exaggerating as this can’t be really true.
My god, it’s really true! Who the fuck possibly thinks this is a good idea. The full blown nutters have taken over the judiciary.
I love how they’re still trying to make the attempted pogrom last summer retroactively “okay” via these complaints of two-tier policing.
Can we have like a one Torygraph article daily cap please
It’s a response to BAME convicts currently being more likely to get a custodial sentence, and BAME job applicants (with equalised CVs) already needing to send more applications to get interviews, which custodial sentences could in some cases compound (employment gap). It’s not “you will get a lower sentence if you’re in these groups”, but that more will be taken into consideration. This also applies to people who are known to have mental health issues, be victims of abuse, have long-term health issues or other circumstances that could be mitigating or could make them at greater risk of harm in prison. Maybe some rationale is to do with certain psychological stresses being more correlated (not 100% correlated) with being certain minorities?
It’s not a Labour policy, as the Sentencing Council is independent.
Robert Jenrick? he’s one to talk about two-tier justice when he gets away with corruption
> Alongside ethnic background, the guidance says judges and magistrates should consider pre-sentence reports necessary if the offender was a woman, aged 18 to 25, at risk of their first jail sentence or a prison term of two years or less, pregnant or post-natal or the sole or primary carer for a dependent relative. Other factors included an offender disclosing that they were transgender, had an addiction to drugs or alcohol, a chronic health condition or were victims of domestic abuse, modern slavery or grooming.
This is covers a VERY large cohort of the people that are likely to be convicted of a crime.
I’m not in favour of ethnicity being a reason to give someone a shorter sentence but, as always, the Telegraph headline (and politicians) are being misleading here.
Not that I agree or disagree but this sub is just the Telegraph (and its slant, creative interpretations and audience of ghouls) for people who don’t want to touch the Telegraph with a 10 foot pole. hardly any “news” in this country. Piss off.
Anything to convince you the poor man of a different race is your enemy rather than the rich man living in the damn castle looking down on you both. You guys think a country as racist and populism-driven as the UK is actually fucking over the white man in favour of ethnic minorities who have literally almost zero social power in this country? Use your critical thinking skills for 3 seconds. Who would even be ready to believe this other than moronic racists? It doesn’t even make sense at face value as a claim from any angle, let alone the fact that it entirely crumbles into nothing upon further research.
It would be lovely if all your issues in the world turned out to be because of some insane planned out invasion by a bunch of people from different, impoverished, unstable countries, all planning one of the grandest most convoluted conspiracies ever in the world. But it’s not is it. It’s the rich old men who want to convince you other poor people are taking your shit, rather than they, whom sit in their piles of your money.
They own the fucking newspaper. How would immigrants even engineer this system when the owners of this paper are the type of people who run the country and clearly they hate the immigrants? Make it make any kind of sense, please.
The amount of people in this comment section who refuse/cannot read what the guidelines said is really sad.
What if the accused identifies as mixed race or as an ethnic minority despite appearing to be white?
“I am who I say I am, you must respect my identity” how does this play out?
What if, at first glance, I appear to be a Caucasian male but identify as a woman of mixed race, doI get a pass?
Even though i disliked Labour before they got in, Starmer has done quite a few things that have won me over slightly, and now It seems they’re being screwed over by our own judicial system.
They’ve repeatedly overuled our home office and Labour’s decisions on deporting foreign criminals by using their own interpretation of the law, and now they’re introducing guidance that will only infuriate right wingers more, even when labour have stated they disprove of the changes.
Why do we seem hellbent on handing our country to right-wing politics. This is what happened in America. The citizens became disgruntled, and now they have nut jobs in charge.
Of course the telegraph cherrypicks it to only ethnic minorities but it is true, for some reason women get preferential treatment aswell so nice to see that if you’re a white man you are just fucked but pretty much everyone else gets preferential treatment whatever that means.
Literal 2 tier right there, just actually shocking.
Rich coming from Brown Envelope Bob. The editors of The Telegraph are probably paying him to say this crap so they can keep their readership numbers up.
It’s amazing how transparent the efforts are to trigger readers, and how easily so many are triggered.
Who branded it “two tier”?
Answer – the firebrand writing the article.
This country would be infinitely better off if Telegraph readers had even the smallest bit of awareness.
Should take a few more things and I think more people will start noticing that we are heading down a very dark path.
It’s a uniparty.
And no, I wouldn’t trust Farage to butter my toast either.
Didn’t this get denounced by the justice minster as a proposal. So rage bait over nothing…
Everyone who is convicted of a crime should receive sentencing according to the crime committed and extenuating circumstances, not be sentenced according to their ethnicity.
I don’t think there should be any mitigating factors considered. Treat equal crimes equally.
Equity for me but not for thee is the attitude of this country.
I’m disappointed at the deafening silence from Reddit SJW contributors over this story – Where’s at least one progressive voice that agrees with every single one of these sentencing guidelines??
Honestly at this point, ReformUK’s media just writes it’s fucking self.
,
As an immigrant that could be considered an ethnic minority, I strongly oppose two tier justice, I think this country is going to shit because some people hate it and what it stands for: democracy, equality and freedom, and its heritage. We should defend it by protesting.
Article 7 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) states: “All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law”. Thus, it states that everyone must be treated equally under the law regardless of race, gender, color, ethnicity, religion, disability, or other characteristics, without privilege, discrimination or bias.
This is the sorta stuff that will result in Reform being elected next time round; ordinary people are tired of it. Watch this space!