Starmer says benefit system unfair and indefensible
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kgpyz3mmpo
Posted by Technical_Effect9724
Starmer says benefit system unfair and indefensible
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kgpyz3mmpo
Posted by Technical_Effect9724
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Well here it comes, the other shoe. Expect to see a lot more disabled people begging and homeless when this hits the fan. There will also be a jump in suicides.
What we need is the equivalent of Stonewall for disabled people. Upbraid them in the streets. Embarrass them. Humiliate them even.
Politicians won’t do shit for you, you gotta kick their ass.
Rest assured the high IQ denizens of reddit have assured me that labour and tories aren’t the uniparty
Who is he chasing down now? The disabled? Probably.
Can’t keep funnelling money off to foreign wars while stripping the vulnerable of anything they have left.
Starmer is truly a cunt.
This is gross. There are so many better ways to encourage the ‘won’t works’ as they’ve been labelled than blanket sanctioning benefits and disabilities.
The hypothetical ‘won’t works’ might actually want to work if they could do reasonable hours, be treated like a person, and afford to live. When everyone is ground to a nub, it disincentivizes productivity.
As someone that is wondering if they’ll be able to continue working following a heart condition, this feels like the government have spat in my face. I guess this is what I get for working all through the pandemic.
Where are all the people who said they’d move left once in power?
For those who only read the headline:
“A wasted generation, one-in-eight young people not in education, employment or training, and the people who really need that safety net still not always getting the dignity they deserve.
“That’s unsustainable, it’s indefensible and it is unfair, people feel that in their bones.”
“So, this needs to be our offer to people up and down the country: If you can work, we will make work pay – if you need help, that safety net will be there for you.
“But this is the Labour Party – we believe in the dignity of work and we believe in the dignity of every worker.”
All well and good saying that when the waiting list for a council flat is around 36 years (hyperbole) and private rent is 750 quid a month (if you’re lucky enough to not live in London).
Starmer takes another right-wing shift what a huge surprise. At this point I’m convinced it’s basically Mandelson and McSweeney running Labour whilst Starmer just smiles and nods.
Oh but wealth being hoarded by a minority; houses being of a piss poor quality run by buy to let landlords and a tax system that hits workers rather than the asset rich Sunaks and Jacob Rees Moggs of the world – yeah let’s bash the most vulnerable in society. FYI most benefits go to those in work or retired.
Moral cowardice to go after the weakest just to avoid raising taxes on vested interests.
As long as this doesn’t make people who can’t get into work safety net not be there.
I have seen a guy using his benefits as a excuse to buy a car and keep his hours low purposely so get more money.
Yet I have seen a women who was trying desperately to get into work but her health problems make it difficult and now she has to rely on her daughters wages to live because the benefits aren’t enough.
I get both sides, so I hope they don’t treat them as all the same.
Labour Party hasn’t been the party for the workers and poor in my lifetime. It does not shock me that the literal stooge Starmer said this. All he needs to do is be tough on Russia while he fucks the working class of the UK, and idiots will vote for him.
Hopefully by ‘making work pay’ they use the type of money they were paying to companies like maximus and Ingeus to incentivise actually finding and keeping a job.
Yeah, so let’s make it more unfair by cutting disability benefits. I’m guessing Starmer’s goal is to take Cameron and Osborne’s spot as biggest mass murderer in modern British history.
I’m all for this, as long as it’s not penalizing those folk who truly deserve benefits with severe physical ailments. Changing the PIP descriptors to make it harder to claim benefits is completely justifiable in wake of the overwhelming surge in benefit claimants. It’s not sustainable and many people do take the piss. It’s obvious.
That being said large MNCs dodging billions in tax and taking home record profits every year is clearly a substantially bigger problem, but the government seems too afraid to challenge that status quo. So here we are, playing with the details.
Make work pay. Young people on an average wage will never afford their own home, they know it, and they aren’t playing your game. If you want them to care about society, then we need to build a society worth caring about
Meanwhile Labour plan to do nothing about the one thing that **truly** makes the current benefit system unfair, unsustainable and indefensible – the pensions triple lock.
Because, as was pointed out often under the Tories, the *cruelty is the point*.
I earn 50k pa and I loose 10k in tax and In not to mention tax on fuel, food, insurances, bills, roads and so on.
Why work just to pay tax, can’t blame people for taking the easy route when the other option is to have your wages stolen in tax.
Oh im sorry, I forgot being disabled was a fashion choice, i’ll just stop for the sake of the nation.
5.5mil private rented dwellings in the UK (not renters, rented houses). If we suppose the whole country pays a generously low £500/month/rental, we’ve already hit 33bil (£33,000,000,000) at 1 year. A chunk of that is from UC’s housing component, and a majority comes from the take-home pay of the renters.
For context:
* The whole welfare budget is currently at ~£65bil/year. Proportionally, that’s ~£1,000/month/rental/year.
* Average rents are £1,301 in England, £736 in Wales, and £957 in Scotland.
* The lowest average rental area was Dumfries and Galloway, at £480
You do the maths. Can we afford to give landlords free houses?
Conservative: Robbing you blind, unapologetically.
Labour: Robbing you blind, hoping you won’t notice.
Yes disability benefits can earn you more than full time minimum wage, and full time good jobs aren’t that far better, it is a dodgy system, then you import millions of young men to boost employment stats but a decent portion of which then get put on these benefits which is also not ideal
The fraud rate for PIP is 0%.
Going after these benefits is callous and cruel.
This is literally state murder.
Yes its unfair because Spanish system pays you full wage while you are looking for next job. I believe Starmer meant the opposite. Was I right ?
The billionaires robbed the world while the party “for the workers” blames the workers.
I think the current score is basically Conservatives 300k, Labour 0 and Starmer doesn’t like being behind.
Sadly that’s how many people Tories killed with “austerity”
(I’m sure they’ve already killed people, simple things like ridiculously increased restrictions on who could have a COVID jab this year)
**Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well-warmed, and well-fed**. – Herman Melville
Because that is what we have here , the well warmed, well housed , well fed and stinking rich using the power the gullible have given them to do exactly what the last lot did.
I’d really like to see more consideration of the role education and poverty plays in creating NEETS because I teach a lot of kids who will undoubtedly go onto become NEETS. School is absolutely miserable for them because they can’t access anything. We have no acknowledgement and no provision for less academic kids and they then just disappear.
My GCSE class of 27 has 15 kids who read at a primary school level. They can’t really read well enough to comprehend what they’ve read. I’ve got 5 school refusers who I have barely seen since September. They will obviously go on to be NEETS yet we can offer them nothing to prevent this just oh come back to school and try to understand this Shakespeare.
I think it is getting worse and I blame poverty and lack of support for parents in this country thanks to austerity. We don’t solve the problem of NEETS by further sanctioning benefits because these kids are too far gone. All these posts saying young people understand how the economy is rigged against them miss the mark. These kids genuinely cannot even spell economy. They don’t understand what a percentage is, and have absolutely no conception of house prices vs wages. This is a lost generation due to the curriculum being totally unfit for purpose turning them off school, and schools having no budget to do anything to help these kids.