Only the least harmful part of the plans, freezing pip so it doesn’t rise with inflation wouldn’t financially harm anyone for at least a year and not by much anyway since benefits only rise about 1% a year, it would take years for the payments to be significantly less valuable.
Cutting the LCWRA element of UC or removing it entirely would have a much more immediate and harmful effect on disabled people as they could potentially lose hundreds of pounds a month and a large portion of disabled people who claim pip also receive the LCWRA element of UC so disabled pip claimants who are unable to work are still harmed
It’s hardly a “U-Turn”
Imagine your boss asks you to choose between not getting a 1% pay rise next year or having £400 a month cut from your salary right now, what are you gonna choose
Electrical-Bad9671 on
What’s really bothering me about this ‘getting back to work’, what if you can’t work full time? Because I think a lot of LCWRA claimants are in this position, they can do some work. Like I take antipsychotics and would need access to work transport and a job that is afternoons or evenings. Could I manage 4 hours a day if I got to take a break every hour, yes. Could I manage 8 hours a day, absolutely no way.
XenorVernix on
No one wants benefits cut for disabled people. We want them cut for those defrauding the system.
GhostRiders on
The cuts are purely Ideology and unfortunately due to decades of the British Media and Successive Governments pushing the narrative to outright lying about the numbers in involved, that all people claiming disability benefits are nothing but lazy thieving cheats, it is popular with more than a comfortable percentage of the population.
You just need to see many of the posts made on the subject over the past few days to see how many people have both fallen for the lies and agree with the cuts.
The problem is very simple and so is the solution but it requires money.
Currently to get any official diagnosis and treatment for any mental health issues takes literally years.
Where I live to get your child seen by a mental health specialist to get a diagnosis is appropriately 3 years.
For an adult it take upto 10 years…
Bear in mind this is just a diagnosis, not treatment which in itself is a joke.
1 hour Zoom meetings once a week for month isn’t going help anybody.
Like with any illness or condition the longer you leave it the worse it gets, this is especially true with mental health.
Instead of treating child early on, they are left for years which means by the time they actually do get help, they are in a much situation, many end up being adults who are struggling because their condition has reached a point where it affects them on a daily basis, all of which could of been avoided if they had been treated early on.
So ask yourself, what is more beneficial for society, treating children early on so they can learn and manage their condition early on or just leave them to struggling, their condition getting ever worse u till they are adults with a host of problems which means they require financing help.
Calelith on
Good.
Standard unemployed people outnumber the avaliable fulltime jobs atm without adding on the number of disabled/sick.
If they want to get people back to work they need to loosen the hours/income needed to claim UC without having to attend every 2 weeks to be told to search for a job.
HeavyPie4211 on
Where are the jobs for these people? Does he expect a cripple to be able to deliver 60 packages an hour for Amazon or someone suffering from psychiatric issues to work in a care home?
AfternoonChoice6405 on
Maybe make the UK a nicer place to work and I will be able to.
I currently do volunteer work and this is about the level of commitment I can manage with how employers are. Bosses/companies fundamentally are not willing to work with me. Easier to hire someone with a shitty attitude that will lie that they are good than me who will always be honest
AdmiralMaximus on
Deal with the fakers. Don’t go after genuinely disabled or sick people, go after the cunts who claim to have ADHD or anxiety but really just know they will get more benefits and don’t have to go to regular job interviews.
unpanny_valley on
Turning a big dial that says “fuck the poor” on it and constantly looking back at the public for approval like a contestant on the price is right.
potpan0 on
It seems to be a consistent strategy from Starmer’s Labour where they brief a bunch of ghoulish policies to the right-wing press (because I guess that’s where all their client journalists are?), wait for the reaction, then u-turn on a handful of them if the reaction is too negative. Of course, doing so exposes that:
1) If the reaction wasn’t negative enough, they would have happily followed through with *all* these ghoulish policies. It shows the importance of actually vocally criticising them, rather than sitting silently and waiting to see what happens as supporters of the leadership continue to suggest.
2) They’re still going to implement *some* of these ghoulish policies, and hope that backtracking on some of them will obscure the ones they plough on with.
3) That the Labour Party isn’t really operating democratically under Starmer. In a functioning party the party leadership would come up with a policy proposal, run it by the rest of the party, then work out a compromise if there are issues before announcing it. Instead Starmer is more comfortable briefing it to his client journalists in the right-wing press *before* briefing it to the rest of the Labour Party. It’s an absurd system to govern through, and really demonstrates how closed off Starmer is from the broader party.
TheodoreEDamascus on
11th hour they realised that they’re supposed to be tory lite, not actual tories
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Only the least harmful part of the plans, freezing pip so it doesn’t rise with inflation wouldn’t financially harm anyone for at least a year and not by much anyway since benefits only rise about 1% a year, it would take years for the payments to be significantly less valuable.
Cutting the LCWRA element of UC or removing it entirely would have a much more immediate and harmful effect on disabled people as they could potentially lose hundreds of pounds a month and a large portion of disabled people who claim pip also receive the LCWRA element of UC so disabled pip claimants who are unable to work are still harmed
It’s hardly a “U-Turn”
Imagine your boss asks you to choose between not getting a 1% pay rise next year or having £400 a month cut from your salary right now, what are you gonna choose
What’s really bothering me about this ‘getting back to work’, what if you can’t work full time? Because I think a lot of LCWRA claimants are in this position, they can do some work. Like I take antipsychotics and would need access to work transport and a job that is afternoons or evenings. Could I manage 4 hours a day if I got to take a break every hour, yes. Could I manage 8 hours a day, absolutely no way.
No one wants benefits cut for disabled people. We want them cut for those defrauding the system.
The cuts are purely Ideology and unfortunately due to decades of the British Media and Successive Governments pushing the narrative to outright lying about the numbers in involved, that all people claiming disability benefits are nothing but lazy thieving cheats, it is popular with more than a comfortable percentage of the population.
You just need to see many of the posts made on the subject over the past few days to see how many people have both fallen for the lies and agree with the cuts.
The problem is very simple and so is the solution but it requires money.
Currently to get any official diagnosis and treatment for any mental health issues takes literally years.
Where I live to get your child seen by a mental health specialist to get a diagnosis is appropriately 3 years.
For an adult it take upto 10 years…
Bear in mind this is just a diagnosis, not treatment which in itself is a joke.
1 hour Zoom meetings once a week for month isn’t going help anybody.
Like with any illness or condition the longer you leave it the worse it gets, this is especially true with mental health.
Instead of treating child early on, they are left for years which means by the time they actually do get help, they are in a much situation, many end up being adults who are struggling because their condition has reached a point where it affects them on a daily basis, all of which could of been avoided if they had been treated early on.
So ask yourself, what is more beneficial for society, treating children early on so they can learn and manage their condition early on or just leave them to struggling, their condition getting ever worse u till they are adults with a host of problems which means they require financing help.
Good.
Standard unemployed people outnumber the avaliable fulltime jobs atm without adding on the number of disabled/sick.
If they want to get people back to work they need to loosen the hours/income needed to claim UC without having to attend every 2 weeks to be told to search for a job.
Where are the jobs for these people? Does he expect a cripple to be able to deliver 60 packages an hour for Amazon or someone suffering from psychiatric issues to work in a care home?
Maybe make the UK a nicer place to work and I will be able to.
I currently do volunteer work and this is about the level of commitment I can manage with how employers are. Bosses/companies fundamentally are not willing to work with me. Easier to hire someone with a shitty attitude that will lie that they are good than me who will always be honest
Deal with the fakers. Don’t go after genuinely disabled or sick people, go after the cunts who claim to have ADHD or anxiety but really just know they will get more benefits and don’t have to go to regular job interviews.
Turning a big dial that says “fuck the poor” on it and constantly looking back at the public for approval like a contestant on the price is right.
It seems to be a consistent strategy from Starmer’s Labour where they brief a bunch of ghoulish policies to the right-wing press (because I guess that’s where all their client journalists are?), wait for the reaction, then u-turn on a handful of them if the reaction is too negative. Of course, doing so exposes that:
1) If the reaction wasn’t negative enough, they would have happily followed through with *all* these ghoulish policies. It shows the importance of actually vocally criticising them, rather than sitting silently and waiting to see what happens as supporters of the leadership continue to suggest.
2) They’re still going to implement *some* of these ghoulish policies, and hope that backtracking on some of them will obscure the ones they plough on with.
3) That the Labour Party isn’t really operating democratically under Starmer. In a functioning party the party leadership would come up with a policy proposal, run it by the rest of the party, then work out a compromise if there are issues before announcing it. Instead Starmer is more comfortable briefing it to his client journalists in the right-wing press *before* briefing it to the rest of the Labour Party. It’s an absurd system to govern through, and really demonstrates how closed off Starmer is from the broader party.
11th hour they realised that they’re supposed to be tory lite, not actual tories