Stop calling teen boys toxic – the problem might be us
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/adolescence-netflix-teen-boys-andrew-tate-b2717106.html
Posted by Anony_mouse202
Stop calling teen boys toxic – the problem might be us
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/adolescence-netflix-teen-boys-andrew-tate-b2717106.html
Posted by Anony_mouse202
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The whole discussion over the past few days can be boiled down to ‘we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas’.
Some of the issue is education. But people are also responsible for their own actions.
There was a similar thread on here or the askUK one which asked about misogyny in school. Ironically, a lot of the highest rated comments bordered on misandry if anything. Were I a teenage boy flirting with following figures like Tate and the Manosphere in general, that thread would if anything pushed me towards them even more.
We raised them. Product of the environment we have allowed to fester.
Who knew demonising young boys would turn them into demons?!
Look at the statistics for white British boys in school and you will begin to realise what is really at stake here. Underperforming in every aspect, academically the worst performing ethnic group in our country.
More needs to be done for the lads of tomorrow. When you villainise every young boy because of what they could potentially become, you inevitably push them further down that road.
It’s completely fucking fucked mate, big time.
Non paywalled link for those interested: https://archive.md/FoTFu
FWIW my take on this is that if you have a son (or daughter) at home, it’s your responsibility to have open, emotionally supportive conversations with him. It’s your responsibility to be a present, engaged parent, and actually spend time parenting your child.
Young boys need activities and hobbies outside of the home (as per the article) and not spend all day locked in their room gaming or watching content online.
Too many parents are disengaged from their kids and too focused on work. You’ve got time once they grow up to devote yourself to work. Spend these precious years finding balance and being present at home.
And before anyone pipes up, of course adults need to work to survive, but they also need to find balance and show up at home!
This is one of those “when I say bacon cheeseburger, I don’t mean all burgers are bacon cheeseburgers” situation isn’t it?
It kinda seems like we’ve created a society where young folks won’t see any rewards for their hard work, no chance to get in the housing ladder, little disposable income, jobs ruined by corporations.
So they end up going to the gym, where they can see results of hard work, and where certain grifters can take advantage of them for their own gains.
I guess, yeah, look at ourselves, but that’ll need a restructuring of society.
Anecdotally, I’ve worked in the education sector for a decade, from high schools, to colleges and universities. At every single step the amount of programmes, funding, schemes and promotional materials aimed at female students has massively eclipsed alternatives for male students. It isn’t even just about the money side of things, we are talking about the declaration of achievements, the PR optics, disciplinary procedure leniency, examination needs, all of it.
I now have to mesh this with a more personal anecdote. How hard it has been for me to have 3 separate issues sorted by the NHS, one of which is still ongoing and a year waiting, compared to my wife who was able to get even an exact same department issue sorted in less than a month, having started that process within a couple weeks of each other. It is getting increasingly difficult for me to say there is no institutional bias in the face of these awful influencers who are affecting the minds of our youth, because they use what appears to be a kernel of truth to suggest adopting a dangerous mindset.
Gotta think of the fee fees of us poor men.
Joking aside, there isn’t a large collective group actively calling men toxic.
I’ve been saying it for years. There’s such a toxic attitude towards young men.
The amount of vitriol I’ve seen to young men online over the years, its been obvious that they need help. People have been blaming them for things that happened hundreds of years before they were even born. Instead of accepting that you can’t just tar vast groups of individuals with the same brush, people have been foaming at the mouth for someone to blame.
Instead of giving these kids role models, we’ve given them hate. Is it any wonder that they’ve grown up and pushed back.
Telling white young males they’re the root of all evil constantly while also limiting exposure to white male role models for the sake of “diversity” is damaging.
Of course the problem is adults. It always has been. Over the past 15 years early years programmes have been ripped away, discussions over toxic masculinity has been conflated with masculinity being toxic. This is an issue that could have been dealt with far better than it has, but society has gone spinning backwards. My wife had a friend over who has three sons. She would sit there ripping them apart for being male, and that their behaviour was down to being boys. She’s raising them, she can try and teach them better, but would rather write them off, which ends up having a Knock on affect on society.