If only there were phones and software that already did that.
No-Tension4175 on
Hard disagree. We should absolutely treat cell phones like cigarettes and go so far as to ban children under the age of 18 from owning them outside of school–I am talking like fines for parents who let their kids have smart phones. This is my most authoritarian political belief, but I am also 100% convinced that allowing kids to have smart phones is doing a huge amount of damage to society.
Wide_Tune_8106 on
Why is every government we have had during my lifetime so obsessed with banning things?
Ok-Book-4070 on
which experts are these, are they in the room with us now?
Excellent-Leg-7658 on
It’s not the hardware that’s the issue.
The issue is that the social media companies design their apps to be as addictive as possible, because they make their money out of ensuring children are too addicted to look away. It’s not a bug, it’s a core feature.
Ok_Cow_3431 on
Parents will look to any solution rather than actual responsible parenting huh
ColdShadowKaz on
Whats going to happen is kids phones and adults phones but the adults phones don’t have accessibility features so disabled adults have to keep using kids phones and some adults will be forced to keep using kids phones or all phones will be kids phones and we have no more adult milestones but ‘go get a job also you can get married but you’ll never have the cash to.’
QuoteNation on
There’s no such thing. Teens will. ypass this by installing custom roms or bypass other ways. Kids are not stupid and are very technically advanced in smartphones and ways to bypass things… hell, I used to bypass the naughty photo thing when I was 12 in highschool by using clever words… you think kids aren’t more advanced now?
much_good on
It should go beyond this tbh.
Specifically start looking to ban certain technology like the infinite scroll because of how it hijacks dopamine loops, this stuff is absolutely not worth it and detrimental to everyone.
There are plenty of people in tech who understand, often built this tech 10 years ago now saying it’s absolutely fucked and shouldn’t be implemented so universally.
JayR_97 on
This a parenting issue
If a smart phone is having a negative affect on the kids behaviour, it’s up to the parents to deal with it
Stop expecting the government to parent your kids
GL510EX on
>Smartphones should be treated like cars not cigarettes
Exactly.
Cars and cigarettes are both banned in schools, and under 17s aren’t allowed to use either.
If they wanted to ban them, they don’t need a new law, they already have a mechanism to require them to be banned. They just need to get Ofsted to make ‘effective ban on smartphone use’ a required safeguarding element, and the headteachers will find a way to make it happen over night.
Mad_Mark90 on
Don’t stop using your phones, buy different phones.
Broccoli--Enthusiast on
What do you mean build…they already are, parents are just too lazy to learn
Tbmadpotato on
I think we should beg parents to actually parent tbh
Marble-Boy on
I remember the campaign to make the internet a safer place for kids… what happened to that?
TheFinalPieceOfPie on
Wait… wait wait, so then what was the point in the online safety bill??? No seriously, what was the point?
JesseKansas on
Don’t give kids phones til they need one (walking home alone from school, etc), although give kids access to a family PC in a public supervised space + run thru the child safety stuff with them, watch a couple episodes of TCAP or something just to really hammer the point home, but it’s a losing battle. By stats, kids are accessing porn at significantly younger ages, and even back in circa 2014 like 8yo kids were obsessed with FNAF and it’s gotten worse.
TheNickedKnockwurst on
Text, phone, good camera, national app whitelist with things like teams, WhatsApp, Spotify, Strava etc
Affectionate-Boot-12 on
If only parents took an interest in what their children were viewing instead of just leaving them to view vile brain rot.
techdeckwarrior on
Or or or or orrrrrrr parents do their fucking job and make sure their kids are safe online
Better_Ad898 on
any solution that doesnt involve google, meta and reddit being made to clean up and actually deal with illegal content, misinformation and hate speech will fail.
everything else has turned out to either be too hamfisted or doesnt go far enough.
Mongolian_Hamster on
It’s insane smart phones are allowed in schools at all. Plenty of dumb phone options around for emergencies if needed.
Why do kids need everything else at school?
ConfusedQuarks on
No matter what you do, as long as the parents aren’t doing their job, it’s not going to work.
AdmiralMaximus on
Old people shouldn’t be anywhere near this debate. They have no idea about the root issues, and if they did, no interest in solving them. This is just another excuse for old people to blame everything on technology.
99% of kids aren’t affected in any significant negative way by smartphones, only positive. Yet again, 1% of people ruin it for everyone.
JoseJalapenoOnStick on
If only there was a type of phone that could be brought that isn’t a smart phone that is nearly indestructible and dose not need internet.
MrEManFTW on
Don’t need the government to bring in more laws. Be a god damn good parent. Neither of my kids are allowed smart phones. They have dumb phones that can text and call. They are banned from social media until they are adults. Home network has security features to stop the sneaky bastards bypassing the content filters. The internet is very very bad for kids, teach them how to tell fake news and grifters, also fact checking using reliable sources.
Teach them how to look after money and the perils of debt. How APR works and how to cook and clean. The amount of kids I see that couldn’t pay a bill or cook food is astounding.
Existing_Goal_7667 on
Family link is amazing. We have it on all the kids devices. Once they get past 13 they have a choice, they can pay for their phone themselves or I continue to pay, with family link installed. This should come as automatic for all phones intended for children.
Sir_Henry_Deadman on
Or you know, actually understand the technology you give your child and how to monitor and control it?
Take responsibility for the thing you spawned
pCaK3s on
I can guarantee that teens know how to use smart phones better than most parents.
Parents just need to take accountability and actually parent.
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If only there were phones and software that already did that.
Hard disagree. We should absolutely treat cell phones like cigarettes and go so far as to ban children under the age of 18 from owning them outside of school–I am talking like fines for parents who let their kids have smart phones. This is my most authoritarian political belief, but I am also 100% convinced that allowing kids to have smart phones is doing a huge amount of damage to society.
Why is every government we have had during my lifetime so obsessed with banning things?
which experts are these, are they in the room with us now?
It’s not the hardware that’s the issue.
The issue is that the social media companies design their apps to be as addictive as possible, because they make their money out of ensuring children are too addicted to look away. It’s not a bug, it’s a core feature.
Parents will look to any solution rather than actual responsible parenting huh
Whats going to happen is kids phones and adults phones but the adults phones don’t have accessibility features so disabled adults have to keep using kids phones and some adults will be forced to keep using kids phones or all phones will be kids phones and we have no more adult milestones but ‘go get a job also you can get married but you’ll never have the cash to.’
There’s no such thing. Teens will. ypass this by installing custom roms or bypass other ways. Kids are not stupid and are very technically advanced in smartphones and ways to bypass things… hell, I used to bypass the naughty photo thing when I was 12 in highschool by using clever words… you think kids aren’t more advanced now?
It should go beyond this tbh.
Specifically start looking to ban certain technology like the infinite scroll because of how it hijacks dopamine loops, this stuff is absolutely not worth it and detrimental to everyone.
There are plenty of people in tech who understand, often built this tech 10 years ago now saying it’s absolutely fucked and shouldn’t be implemented so universally.
This a parenting issue
If a smart phone is having a negative affect on the kids behaviour, it’s up to the parents to deal with it
Stop expecting the government to parent your kids
>Smartphones should be treated like cars not cigarettes
Exactly.
Cars and cigarettes are both banned in schools, and under 17s aren’t allowed to use either.
If they wanted to ban them, they don’t need a new law, they already have a mechanism to require them to be banned. They just need to get Ofsted to make ‘effective ban on smartphone use’ a required safeguarding element, and the headteachers will find a way to make it happen over night.
Don’t stop using your phones, buy different phones.
What do you mean build…they already are, parents are just too lazy to learn
I think we should beg parents to actually parent tbh
I remember the campaign to make the internet a safer place for kids… what happened to that?
Wait… wait wait, so then what was the point in the online safety bill??? No seriously, what was the point?
Don’t give kids phones til they need one (walking home alone from school, etc), although give kids access to a family PC in a public supervised space + run thru the child safety stuff with them, watch a couple episodes of TCAP or something just to really hammer the point home, but it’s a losing battle. By stats, kids are accessing porn at significantly younger ages, and even back in circa 2014 like 8yo kids were obsessed with FNAF and it’s gotten worse.
Text, phone, good camera, national app whitelist with things like teams, WhatsApp, Spotify, Strava etc
If only parents took an interest in what their children were viewing instead of just leaving them to view vile brain rot.
Or or or or orrrrrrr parents do their fucking job and make sure their kids are safe online
any solution that doesnt involve google, meta and reddit being made to clean up and actually deal with illegal content, misinformation and hate speech will fail.
everything else has turned out to either be too hamfisted or doesnt go far enough.
It’s insane smart phones are allowed in schools at all. Plenty of dumb phone options around for emergencies if needed.
Why do kids need everything else at school?
No matter what you do, as long as the parents aren’t doing their job, it’s not going to work.
Old people shouldn’t be anywhere near this debate. They have no idea about the root issues, and if they did, no interest in solving them. This is just another excuse for old people to blame everything on technology.
99% of kids aren’t affected in any significant negative way by smartphones, only positive. Yet again, 1% of people ruin it for everyone.
If only there was a type of phone that could be brought that isn’t a smart phone that is nearly indestructible and dose not need internet.
Don’t need the government to bring in more laws. Be a god damn good parent. Neither of my kids are allowed smart phones. They have dumb phones that can text and call. They are banned from social media until they are adults. Home network has security features to stop the sneaky bastards bypassing the content filters. The internet is very very bad for kids, teach them how to tell fake news and grifters, also fact checking using reliable sources.
Teach them how to look after money and the perils of debt. How APR works and how to cook and clean. The amount of kids I see that couldn’t pay a bill or cook food is astounding.
Family link is amazing. We have it on all the kids devices. Once they get past 13 they have a choice, they can pay for their phone themselves or I continue to pay, with family link installed. This should come as automatic for all phones intended for children.
Or you know, actually understand the technology you give your child and how to monitor and control it?
Take responsibility for the thing you spawned
I can guarantee that teens know how to use smart phones better than most parents.
Parents just need to take accountability and actually parent.