This is astonishing sabotage and proof of how vital this industry really is.
And the cheek of the Tories to blame the Labour Party & the Unions when they had 14 years to secure it’s future
Klumber on
I understand the reasoning to not sell core-industries to Chinese investors and actually agree, just like they shouldn’t be sold to US investors… good luck on that by the way.
But it is incredibly asinine to suggest the Chinese government told Jingye to let the plant die by not providing more coal. This site has been at death’s door for decades, there’s a reason for that, just like there was a reason for the MoD to completely take over the business of Sheffield’s Forgemasters.
The sites themselves are no longer capable of competing globally due to the lack of resources being mined in the UK and due to the cost of energy. It is as simple as that. If you, as owner of a factory, have to eat a £700k bill every day whilst trying to turn a business around with targeted investment and then you get news of an Orange Ape deciding to upset the global economy, you would pause and consider your options as well.
To equate that to ‘sabotage’ or to suggest it is a ‘Chinese government ploy’ is dumb and only serves to point fingers of blame in any direction other than the failing organisation. The government has taken the ball and chain on now, it’s an excellent job-provision project, but it will cost the tax payer millions a year.
And we let our water and power, rail be handled by private organisations using our money to subsidise their own infrastructure at home?
limaconnect77 on
People on this r/ thinking Britain’s ‘worth’ that sort of thing anymore to a peer power – quite infantile, honestly. The UK is solidly a bystander in this great power competition.
Travel-Barry on
Is it actual sabotage though or is it just the leaders hiding some CCP comms or something?
I just find it hard to believe that a Goliath like China really cares that much about us sourcing our v steel from elsewhere than being able to produce it ourselves? Especially as real sabotage would pretty much force us to look anywhere _but_ China for this resource if they really have crippled something.
International relations is getting really weird.
AlpsSad1364 on
What a dumb nationalist media frenzy.
It’s fundamentally unviable. The chinese bought it because it was going out of business anyway.
We don’t have iron ore, we don’t have coal, we don’t have cheap power: steel production is no more viable in the UK than iphone production.
Get over it.
If you want to secure steel supplies for “national security” the best policy would be to not fall out with your neighbours who can make steel efficiently or leave their free trade bloc.
Substantial_Steak723 on
If uk go were going to
convert blast furnaces to electric (like Canada) now is the time to model their hydro electric requirements into a dedicated renewables solar + windfarm feed which resolves coal emissions, pollutants, transport etc on the head and makes for cost payback in a simple low cost manner.
Coal is not cheap.
Drawing off your own solar and windfarm minimises energy costs at industrial £ rates and minimises drawing from the main UK grid at other times.
If we are building lots ot renewables and interconnectors this is what it’s about.
adm010 on
I keep seeing that we need it to build warships etc. Warships take bloody years to plan and build. Its not ww2 and building hundreds of ships for Atlantic convoys in 6mths. Just dont understand this as a rationale
pandaman777x on
This is such a stupid story now… if British made steel was so vital we would never have sold it to another country, and would have other steel factories in the country as well
Maybe it really is just a massive money drain and the Chinese owner thought “fuck this” like every owner before them? Trying to spin it into it being some massive conspiracy is a bit far fetched
AnalCreamCake on
And suddenly, a coal mine in Cumbria doesn’t seem so bad…..
Current_Case7806 on
We are so naïve – if you look at this case, a subsidiary of the Chinese government bought our steel and were going to let the furnace die to ensure we had to buy their imported steel (likely from China!). At at time when we are looking to increase military spending and manufacturing, plus dealing with Trump tariff’s – this is a clear attempt at having us over a barrel and crippled.
Alib668 on
For those who want to know why a blast furnace cant be turned off. Its a system of flowing moltern iron which goes through all the sections. If the blast furnace turns off the iron cools down and solidfies. In effect everything becomes one solid block of iron and is thus useless as you cant heat it up again to get it going as you melt all the parts holding the iron as well.
Vast_Refrigerator585 on
NOW DO THE SAME WITH WATER!!!!!
Private ownership IS NOT WORKING!!
pajamakitten on
Time to nationalise all vital infrastructure. While some is in the hands of countries we currently trust, you never know what could happen in twenty years or so. Water, power, transport: there is no reason to allow those to be run by foreign nations.
motornedneil on
Next breaking headline
Boat heading for GB sinks ,coal lost .
Oh wait we are literally sitting on millions of tonnes of our own
Known-Bumblebee2498 on
Shouldn’t we be looking at Indian (Tata) involvement in the steel industry as well?
ipub on
Why was china allowed to run a vital British function. Absolutely bonkers. Same as the Russians owning so much.
PositiveLibrary7032 on
Why ever bring china into anything if this is their tactics.
plawwell on
The Tory Party destroyed the steel and coal industries under Thatch. Arthur Scragill must be spinning in his grave right now.
Fuzzy-Loss-4204 on
What a time in history the 3 blokes running the 3 biggest countries with the 3 biggest economies all trying to fuck the world up the arse at the same time,
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This is astonishing sabotage and proof of how vital this industry really is.
And the cheek of the Tories to blame the Labour Party & the Unions when they had 14 years to secure it’s future
I understand the reasoning to not sell core-industries to Chinese investors and actually agree, just like they shouldn’t be sold to US investors… good luck on that by the way.
But it is incredibly asinine to suggest the Chinese government told Jingye to let the plant die by not providing more coal. This site has been at death’s door for decades, there’s a reason for that, just like there was a reason for the MoD to completely take over the business of Sheffield’s Forgemasters.
The sites themselves are no longer capable of competing globally due to the lack of resources being mined in the UK and due to the cost of energy. It is as simple as that. If you, as owner of a factory, have to eat a £700k bill every day whilst trying to turn a business around with targeted investment and then you get news of an Orange Ape deciding to upset the global economy, you would pause and consider your options as well.
To equate that to ‘sabotage’ or to suggest it is a ‘Chinese government ploy’ is dumb and only serves to point fingers of blame in any direction other than the failing organisation. The government has taken the ball and chain on now, it’s an excellent job-provision project, but it will cost the tax payer millions a year.
[paywall free archived version](https://archive.is/IGB90)
And we let our water and power, rail be handled by private organisations using our money to subsidise their own infrastructure at home?
People on this r/ thinking Britain’s ‘worth’ that sort of thing anymore to a peer power – quite infantile, honestly. The UK is solidly a bystander in this great power competition.
Is it actual sabotage though or is it just the leaders hiding some CCP comms or something?
I just find it hard to believe that a Goliath like China really cares that much about us sourcing our v steel from elsewhere than being able to produce it ourselves? Especially as real sabotage would pretty much force us to look anywhere _but_ China for this resource if they really have crippled something.
International relations is getting really weird.
What a dumb nationalist media frenzy.
It’s fundamentally unviable. The chinese bought it because it was going out of business anyway.
We don’t have iron ore, we don’t have coal, we don’t have cheap power: steel production is no more viable in the UK than iphone production.
Get over it.
If you want to secure steel supplies for “national security” the best policy would be to not fall out with your neighbours who can make steel efficiently or leave their free trade bloc.
If uk go were going to
convert blast furnaces to electric (like Canada) now is the time to model their hydro electric requirements into a dedicated renewables solar + windfarm feed which resolves coal emissions, pollutants, transport etc on the head and makes for cost payback in a simple low cost manner.
Coal is not cheap.
Drawing off your own solar and windfarm minimises energy costs at industrial £ rates and minimises drawing from the main UK grid at other times.
If we are building lots ot renewables and interconnectors this is what it’s about.
I keep seeing that we need it to build warships etc. Warships take bloody years to plan and build. Its not ww2 and building hundreds of ships for Atlantic convoys in 6mths. Just dont understand this as a rationale
This is such a stupid story now… if British made steel was so vital we would never have sold it to another country, and would have other steel factories in the country as well
Maybe it really is just a massive money drain and the Chinese owner thought “fuck this” like every owner before them? Trying to spin it into it being some massive conspiracy is a bit far fetched
And suddenly, a coal mine in Cumbria doesn’t seem so bad…..
We are so naïve – if you look at this case, a subsidiary of the Chinese government bought our steel and were going to let the furnace die to ensure we had to buy their imported steel (likely from China!). At at time when we are looking to increase military spending and manufacturing, plus dealing with Trump tariff’s – this is a clear attempt at having us over a barrel and crippled.
For those who want to know why a blast furnace cant be turned off. Its a system of flowing moltern iron which goes through all the sections. If the blast furnace turns off the iron cools down and solidfies. In effect everything becomes one solid block of iron and is thus useless as you cant heat it up again to get it going as you melt all the parts holding the iron as well.
NOW DO THE SAME WITH WATER!!!!!
Private ownership IS NOT WORKING!!
Time to nationalise all vital infrastructure. While some is in the hands of countries we currently trust, you never know what could happen in twenty years or so. Water, power, transport: there is no reason to allow those to be run by foreign nations.
Next breaking headline
Boat heading for GB sinks ,coal lost .
Oh wait we are literally sitting on millions of tonnes of our own
Shouldn’t we be looking at Indian (Tata) involvement in the steel industry as well?
Why was china allowed to run a vital British function. Absolutely bonkers. Same as the Russians owning so much.
Why ever bring china into anything if this is their tactics.
The Tory Party destroyed the steel and coal industries under Thatch. Arthur Scragill must be spinning in his grave right now.
What a time in history the 3 blokes running the 3 biggest countries with the 3 biggest economies all trying to fuck the world up the arse at the same time,