The UK simulated an attack on its own air defenses based on the first night of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. It wasn’t pretty.
https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-simulated-russia-attack-ukraine-on-itself-wasnt-pretty-air-commodore-2025-4?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=insider-worldnews-sub-post
Posted by qwerty_1965
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Ah, the standard senior member of military branch X says military branch X in serious need of more funding due to perceived threat only branch X can counter story.
Well, probably need to factor in that we don’t have air defence set up specifically for a situation like that hence why it didn’t turn out well. Given our distance from Russia, there would be probably two scenarios:
1. Russian aircraft would probably be shot down en-route, given the various different countries in between us and them and we’d probably have a fair amount of warning. If Russia was launching missions against us we’d already be at war with them.
2. If Russian aircraft did get into a scenario like this successfully, we’d already be knackered because of the lack of anything between us and Russia stopping them. Again, said war would be going terribly.
In a real life scenario, we would’ve escalated and prepared for an attack like this because the warning signs would be there. Just another scaremongering piece.
stunt for extra defence funding
for decades patriotic blue club slashed defence funding, how ironic
We do not have the scope to defend the channel from inflatable boats never mind a missile attack.
Is this a surprise? The UK does not meaningfully have air defences.
The Army Air defences are limited to CAMM point defence systems.
The Navy has six destroyers capable of area air defence, which is an incredibly vulnerable way to defend yourself.
The Air Force relies entirely on fighters for air defence, which is relatively limited when considering ballistic missile attack.
We simply do not have systems like the US Patriot or the Russian S-300.
The defence infrastructure of the United Kingdom is basically predicated on the idea that an attack on mainland UK is responded to with nuclear weapons. That has been the case for decades.
Best thing Ukraine did in the first days was in the battle of Antonov Airport where they damaged their own airport to a point where it could not be used to airlift Russian troops in. Would UK forces be willing to damage their own infrastructure on that way?
Did they account for the residents of Newcastle, Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham and the entirety of Scotland?
So the obvious first question is ‘Who won?’
and the follow up is ‘What if Scotland forms an Islamic Caliphate?’
The title alone is enough. No need for data or elaborations. Triple the defense budget
At this rate there won’t even be a country to defend invest in society not war.
This ignore the fact that for the northern fleet to mobilise, or to get anything in striking range of the uk it will have to go round or through our allies, and we would have plenty of warning, hours for aircraft and days for ships.
Generally military sims do numerous runs w a wide range of variables and greatly over estimate the strength of our enemies and underestimate that of our allies, in other words the worst case scenario and try to fight agasint that. Cus it’s better to over achieve than underachieve.
Ultimately u cannot give an accurate guess at all on what would happen cus there are way too many variables.
And one thing is for sure, if Russia tries to strike anywhere on our island u can be damn well sure the rest of Europe will get involved.
Which is something that sim does not take into account,
Sim was in 2022.
Article says improvements since 2022.
No retest?
Just concern about modern warfare, namely drones. Fair enough. Solvable.
But the backstop is still the nuclear deterrent.
Really? Because i remember russia initially losing multiple troop planes just by incompetence?
Massive exaggeration of what was said. I wouldn’t take this too seriously.
Feels like something military would not openly admit
Hey the Labour Party should, if it’s serious about preparing for a similar attack to Ukraine, lift all restrictions on private small arms ownership and teach all high school kids some basic field craft, how to use an automatic weapon and build drones.
Military people want more money for military stuff, what a surprise.
what targets would they be hitting in that simualtion? radar sites and airfields?
It will probably totally destroy the economy as the UK is heavily dependent on capital inflows from abroad.
And which scholar decided to publish this for all to see?
Should we be saying all this stuff..you know…out loud?!
About time they did something about it eh?
Or just scratch your ass in government and blame someone else….. but I had my thumb up my own ass that simulation didn’t count.
Is it just me, or should we be telling the world how poorly capable we are of defending ourselves?
S400 and patriots struggle with ballistic missile interceptions especially hypersonic ones, no shit UK would struggle. It just doesn’t have assets to deal with that.
Air defence of the UK is comfortably one of the worst aspects of our military.
Well, let’s pack it up and head home. No point wasting our time. Maybe we can buy some new stuff from Trump.
What happens afterwards? One day the Russian war should be over, what will we do with our military then. Obviously we could fight more wars, we’re rather good at that.
I can’t help but think that if Russia manages to construct large numbers of missile bases just off the coast of East Anglia without anyone noticing, our air defences are the least of our problems.
Well then hopefully we’ll wake the fuck up and remember that Americans won’t be coming to save our ass this time.
I’m sure it wouldn’t be pretty if we just sat back and just let Russia attack us, it is true our military needs funding and modernization but lets not pretend we don’t have the intelligence and capability to detect and intercept a force capable of carrying out a significant threat, we need to pull our finger out but were not helpless.
Why can I not see any amount of likes on any of these types of posts?
Every post has its likes and especially dislikes hidden. Why?