It ain’t there yet. It’s got pretty good at fighting bigots on Reddit though
Plenty_Suspect_3446 on
Saw that coming from a mile away. They get no sympathy from me. Sack the bosses who implemented AI and hire new staff.
Actual-Carpenter-90 on
Ai is good for getting rid of your boss. It’s perfect for scheduling budgets etc, wait until people start to realize this.
SmashedWorm64 on
Are we ever going to admit as a society that these CEOs are fucking clueless?
Communalbuttplug on
Lol, no they don’t.
Minimum wage is £12.21 an hour.
If you employ ten people to work in your customer service chats and need them to work Monday 9-5 but because it’s a bank Holiday you have to pay them time and a half.
That’s £18.31ph.
For an 8 hour shift that’s £146.52 per day per employee.
Ten employees is £1465.20 each bank holiday in wages.
The normal rate is £12.21ph 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year is £25,396 per employee for 10 staff is over quarter of a million pounds per year just in wages, not including holidays, sick pay, pension contributions, NI and all the stress that comes from being an employer.
Or a chat ai that costs you £50,000 a year to run, it’s not as good but talks to 1000x more people, works 24/7 never calls in sick. Never comes to work in a mood or hung over. Never asks for a payrise or employment rights .
FaceMace87 on
That is what happens when you replace actual trained humans with a glorified clippy. How humans have got to the point we have when we have so many decision makers making decisions on things they don’t understand i’ll never know.
jimmycarr1 on
Big fucking surprise. Bet they didn’t even try testing the two alongside each other objectively.
SoundsVinyl on
My workplace replaced people with other people and regretted it!
caylee003 on
This article has very little information. It surprises me how easy it is to trick people.
These companies ‘studies’ are often made with a commercial purpose in mind. Wait for a reputable source, one that doesn’t profit from such news.
CreepyTool on
I know people don’t like to hear it, but AI used well can very much reduce the need for staff.
I run a software company. I used to rely on freelancers a lot to assist with certain jobs, especially refactoring code and some really dull database work.
Absolutely no need now – AI can chew through this stuff easy peasy, and I just need someone to direct a little.
It’s getting better too! A few weeks back I needed to migrate about 200 thousand files from a VPS to an AWS S3 instance, whilst preserving an existing file system. I asked ChatGPT to write a script to assist with flagging files, logging and programmatically moving stuff in batches.
I’d assumed I’d have to tinker with it a lot, but it was essentially perfect. It also helped a lot with S3 API integration as I didn’t want to use the full APK. That’s normally really fiddly, but the AI powered through it and saved days of time when I ran into issues calculating the required signed URLs.
I even had it run some cost forecast on our S3 usage and it’s been pretty much bang on.
I haven’t done any serious SQL coding or debugging for a good year now, because AI can do it in seconds.
Lots of heads in sand still, trying to pretend AI is some sort of auto complete. If you’re getting bad results, you’re probably just using it badly.
I’ve been coding for 25 years and I’m sorry but AI is revolutionary for my industry.
Like when my dad would type “song i liked in the 80s” and get annoyed when it didn’t find his song.
Edit – if you’re down voting me but unable to challenge my points, you’re just an ideologue.
AltoCumulus15 on
My company is pushing AI so hard and are monitoring usage as part of performance reviews (read: using it as a means to reduce the workforce).
If someone leaves, you can’t backfill unless you can prove AI can’t do it. If you want to hire, you need to prove it can’t be done by AI.
I use it when I feel it’s necessary, but the forced nature of this really doesn’t sit well.
It can give shitty answers, make stuff up, and has meant that junior staff members don’t feel the need to learn anything so they can just “AsK ChAtGpT” so I’m constantly having to fix errors when the AI gets it wrong.
I have two concerns about this, one is employers being allowed to force its usage and effectively disciplining those who don’t based on moral and ethical concerns, and the amount of jobs losses it’s going to create while concentrating wealth in the hands of the companies who own the AI.
We’re heading full speed towards tech feudalism and a massive crisis for humanity unless our entire system changes to guaranteed incomes for people.
Quick-Albatross-9204 on
Means nothing, at the start of the Industrial revolution or even automobiles you would get the same thinking until it matures, even the weave machine boss probably regretted the clogs
lumiador on
These models are tools, not replacements (at least for now).
They will replace people because suddenly the effective worker will need less colleagues.
most_crispy_owl on
I feel like takes or implementations like this are not how AI should be used. For example you don’t replace all of customer service with ai, but you might give a CS employee pre written messages to customers, created by ai.
Giving people with jobs that are task oriented suitable ai tools makes them way more productive, so you don’t need as many employees at that level. It’s like the self checkout at the supermarket.
vrekais on
The key issue is that we still haven’t invented AI. LLMs aren’t AI, they can’t think, decide, or interpret anything. Their responses are statistically likely strings of words to a given input.
Computer scientists used one too many human analogies and Marketing just went wild.
dobbie1 on
Aaaaannnddddd now you have to re-hire at the new market rate. AI has its uses, I’m yet to see a use where it can fully replace a person in a role. Do elements of the job as guided by a human, sure, completely and comprehensively do a person’s job, no way.
B4nn3dByChr1st14ns on
Well if they want their employees back they can reimburse them for lost wages with inflation and the new wage agreement thats higher than their prevuous wages all taken into account othereise what guarantee do they have they wont be laid off again?
Talk is cheap, put your money where your mouth is.
Scared-Mine1506 on
I’m all for effeciency when it can genuinely be implemented in a useful way, but I love “I could automate your job” energy biting people in the ass.
“Computer man, make me 5 of the googles please. I would like to be a millionaire by lunchtime. Chop, chop.”
Playful_Cherry8117 on
As a data scientist LLMs (AI is a broad term, chatgpt is a large language model) is a great tool, it can improve your efficiency if you have the domain knowledge. However, it cannot replace people, the architecture of LLMs will not replace us, even in 100 years time.
I believe, there is currently an “AI bubble”
WGSMA on
I’m so glad where I work has said that he’d rather keep all our staff and just have us execute our 5 year plan in less time by using AI than replacing staff with AI.
Fluid_Programmer_193 on
Men will tell you AI is the most innovative thing of the past twenty years and then just use it to draw themselves as an action figure boxset.
BlueskyUK on
AI can’t replace me. It can make me fucking effective at my job.
As soon as leadership realise its not a one to one personnel replacement and instead the same as replacing a ledger with excel.
bonbonron on
“we are happy to announce we are early adopters of ai…”
Another wave of redundancies just so the CEO can keep the shareholders happy and hit their own bonuses.
I used to work for a company which was bought out by a larger company and the moment they started saying “don’t worry your job is safe” I knew shit would hit the fan sooner or later. Survived three rounds of redundancies, the last one was due to them implementing ai on a large scale. Customers are livid as they can no longer speak to a human being and if they do, it’s someone from India. Life was better before the takeover.
MazrimReddit on
AI is good for replacing offshoring, you can’t trust it’s outputs blindly but that always went for going for the cheap options
David_paint_stuff on
AI marketing teams are snake oil salesmen.
Over promise and under deliver leaving chaos in their wake.
A director where I work had some crazy ideas about using AI but I shot them down pretty quickly by explaining the severe limitations of LLM’s and the considerable risks it posed to the business when it inevitably fucked up.
lil_peasant_69 on
feels like if it was revealed tomorrow that wizards existed, you people would be saying that magic isn’t really special – like you can’t handle something being superior so you pretend it’s not very good
like the architecture for LLMs hasn’t had any significant breakthroughs since transformers and yet it’s created chatgpt 1 which was terrible to chatgpt3.5 was actually kinda impressive, to current day models which are smarter than 99% of people but lack a body/vision capabilities. all done with the same transformer architecture. why don’t they see that by next year with enhanced vision capabilities + agentic abilities, bots on the internet will be living full lives
Papfox on
Upper management get convinced that a technology is wonderful by a sales person over a boozy lunch and buy it without understanding it. The people who actually do the job hate the thing. It causes loads of problems because it’s crap and doesn’t fit well with what the company does. I’m shocked. I’ve never seen that happen before </s>
The downsides of new tech never get measured unless the failure is so massive that it can’t be ignored. It’s like our company buying SAP to do ordering. Someone got a big pat on the back for getting rid of the entry level accounting people who could process a purchase order in 10 minutes. We now have engineers on an hourly rate of five times what the accounts juniors got taking 4 times as long to do the same job but that 20x cost is never measured.
Most people don’t realise that LLM’s aren’t actually intelligent. They’re just very clever pattern matching engines that are very good at predicting what words are coming next. In our training, we learned that the hardest and longest part of setting up an LLM is curating and cleaning the training data. The internet is full of crap. If an LLM is set loose to self train online, it will interest junk and spout junk. The less care that’s taken training it, the worse its performance will be. There are some things it’s good at but many people haven’t heard of Searle’s Chinese Room Argument and don’t realise that’s what an LLM is doing
Big_Red_Machine_1917 on
It’s like watching a really boring version of Terminator.
louisbo12 on
I honestly do not know how CEOs appear. Is it just from being the biggest ball-licking fellatio expert until a position open?
Colonel_Wildtrousers on
Sad CEOs making “compo face” as they contemplate good workers they replaced with incompetent/inefficent AI is like porn I don’t have to sign up to view.
Inject it into my veins while I crack one off.
No-Veterinarian8627 on
Tbf, there are a ton of things AI /ML can be used on. Do you write a lengthy email? Quickly brush with ai over it to make it more appealing. Do you have too many tickets/ emails? Try filtering by using ML.
Here we also have a problem. AI should be used to prevent or lessen the workload of colleagues by cutting out steps and giving them their tasks only they can do. You don’t let the colleagues use it all the time but give the dev team the task to implement it onto certain steps.
For example: we still sometimes get faxes from doctors and older folk. We already made it so it would be shown as a pdf in a ticket. Now, we also use AI to tell us what it is without opening it, and with some combination of ocr and AI, it writes automatically a comment directly into the ticket, what it is about and the subject. Depending on what it is, we can also either ignore it or give more information. There is no need to open the pdf anymore.
Maaaaany such small things are perfect for AI and make your day 10x times more productive. Here 1 minute, there 20 seconds, etc. In a day, it can save some good 30 minutes.
Oh yeah, the AI first thing, etc. Is stupid.
Electronic_Charity76 on
We should totally save loads of money by sacking paid employees and replacing them with a digital dumbfuck, sound business sense that.
setokaiba22 on
I’m sure for some stuff it’s useful.. but you could see this coming a mile away. AI customer service bots for the most part are awful..
We have tried using them for a few small things at work but you still need a human to verify and check the output which also takes time.
Yes it can learn and adapt but it’s not good enough (at least currently) to not need the human element for some tasks – and I think in terms of writing and imagery it’s still very clear when something has been written say by AI
Because it’s also learning from humans or pulling human into it can be wrong. And wrong a lot
heytherepartner5050 on
In IT, where I used to work, they did this with ‘the cloud’. Big server room? Nah just put it all on the Cloud! Magnetic tape archive storage? Nah just put it all on the Cloud! Pretty much EVERYTHING ended up in Azure, no matter if it was last accessed 2 days ago or 2 decades ago (we used to deal with some contracts that required 25yr receipt retention).
All was at least ‘okay-ish’ till Azure started increasing prices. Suddenly all that archived data costs significantly more, but they’d got rid of all the physical back-up’s & the buildings it was stored in, forcing them to accept the price increase. Those price increases kept coming & suddenly, a company that’s existed since the 80’s & got some incredibly lucrative contracts, became insolvent, all because a higher up heard a buzzword they liked & decided ‘that’ll surely reduce costs & make us more money!’. LLM’s have their place, replacing workers certainly ain’t it tho
Hollywood-is-DOA on
Interesting to see how labour things that it will get the disabled and normal unemployed into jobs that don’t exist.
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It ain’t there yet. It’s got pretty good at fighting bigots on Reddit though
Saw that coming from a mile away. They get no sympathy from me. Sack the bosses who implemented AI and hire new staff.
Ai is good for getting rid of your boss. It’s perfect for scheduling budgets etc, wait until people start to realize this.
Are we ever going to admit as a society that these CEOs are fucking clueless?
Lol, no they don’t.
Minimum wage is £12.21 an hour.
If you employ ten people to work in your customer service chats and need them to work Monday 9-5 but because it’s a bank Holiday you have to pay them time and a half.
That’s £18.31ph.
For an 8 hour shift that’s £146.52 per day per employee.
Ten employees is £1465.20 each bank holiday in wages.
The normal rate is £12.21ph 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year is £25,396 per employee for 10 staff is over quarter of a million pounds per year just in wages, not including holidays, sick pay, pension contributions, NI and all the stress that comes from being an employer.
Or a chat ai that costs you £50,000 a year to run, it’s not as good but talks to 1000x more people, works 24/7 never calls in sick. Never comes to work in a mood or hung over. Never asks for a payrise or employment rights .
That is what happens when you replace actual trained humans with a glorified clippy. How humans have got to the point we have when we have so many decision makers making decisions on things they don’t understand i’ll never know.
Big fucking surprise. Bet they didn’t even try testing the two alongside each other objectively.
My workplace replaced people with other people and regretted it!
This article has very little information. It surprises me how easy it is to trick people.
These companies ‘studies’ are often made with a commercial purpose in mind. Wait for a reputable source, one that doesn’t profit from such news.
I know people don’t like to hear it, but AI used well can very much reduce the need for staff.
I run a software company. I used to rely on freelancers a lot to assist with certain jobs, especially refactoring code and some really dull database work.
Absolutely no need now – AI can chew through this stuff easy peasy, and I just need someone to direct a little.
It’s getting better too! A few weeks back I needed to migrate about 200 thousand files from a VPS to an AWS S3 instance, whilst preserving an existing file system. I asked ChatGPT to write a script to assist with flagging files, logging and programmatically moving stuff in batches.
I’d assumed I’d have to tinker with it a lot, but it was essentially perfect. It also helped a lot with S3 API integration as I didn’t want to use the full APK. That’s normally really fiddly, but the AI powered through it and saved days of time when I ran into issues calculating the required signed URLs.
I even had it run some cost forecast on our S3 usage and it’s been pretty much bang on.
I haven’t done any serious SQL coding or debugging for a good year now, because AI can do it in seconds.
Lots of heads in sand still, trying to pretend AI is some sort of auto complete. If you’re getting bad results, you’re probably just using it badly.
I’ve been coding for 25 years and I’m sorry but AI is revolutionary for my industry.
Like when my dad would type “song i liked in the 80s” and get annoyed when it didn’t find his song.
Edit – if you’re down voting me but unable to challenge my points, you’re just an ideologue.
My company is pushing AI so hard and are monitoring usage as part of performance reviews (read: using it as a means to reduce the workforce).
If someone leaves, you can’t backfill unless you can prove AI can’t do it. If you want to hire, you need to prove it can’t be done by AI.
I use it when I feel it’s necessary, but the forced nature of this really doesn’t sit well.
It can give shitty answers, make stuff up, and has meant that junior staff members don’t feel the need to learn anything so they can just “AsK ChAtGpT” so I’m constantly having to fix errors when the AI gets it wrong.
I have two concerns about this, one is employers being allowed to force its usage and effectively disciplining those who don’t based on moral and ethical concerns, and the amount of jobs losses it’s going to create while concentrating wealth in the hands of the companies who own the AI.
We’re heading full speed towards tech feudalism and a massive crisis for humanity unless our entire system changes to guaranteed incomes for people.
Means nothing, at the start of the Industrial revolution or even automobiles you would get the same thinking until it matures, even the weave machine boss probably regretted the clogs
These models are tools, not replacements (at least for now).
They will replace people because suddenly the effective worker will need less colleagues.
I feel like takes or implementations like this are not how AI should be used. For example you don’t replace all of customer service with ai, but you might give a CS employee pre written messages to customers, created by ai.
Giving people with jobs that are task oriented suitable ai tools makes them way more productive, so you don’t need as many employees at that level. It’s like the self checkout at the supermarket.
The key issue is that we still haven’t invented AI. LLMs aren’t AI, they can’t think, decide, or interpret anything. Their responses are statistically likely strings of words to a given input.
Computer scientists used one too many human analogies and Marketing just went wild.
Aaaaannnddddd now you have to re-hire at the new market rate. AI has its uses, I’m yet to see a use where it can fully replace a person in a role. Do elements of the job as guided by a human, sure, completely and comprehensively do a person’s job, no way.
Well if they want their employees back they can reimburse them for lost wages with inflation and the new wage agreement thats higher than their prevuous wages all taken into account othereise what guarantee do they have they wont be laid off again?
Talk is cheap, put your money where your mouth is.
I’m all for effeciency when it can genuinely be implemented in a useful way, but I love “I could automate your job” energy biting people in the ass.
“Computer man, make me 5 of the googles please. I would like to be a millionaire by lunchtime. Chop, chop.”
As a data scientist LLMs (AI is a broad term, chatgpt is a large language model) is a great tool, it can improve your efficiency if you have the domain knowledge. However, it cannot replace people, the architecture of LLMs will not replace us, even in 100 years time.
I believe, there is currently an “AI bubble”
I’m so glad where I work has said that he’d rather keep all our staff and just have us execute our 5 year plan in less time by using AI than replacing staff with AI.
Men will tell you AI is the most innovative thing of the past twenty years and then just use it to draw themselves as an action figure boxset.
AI can’t replace me. It can make me fucking effective at my job.
As soon as leadership realise its not a one to one personnel replacement and instead the same as replacing a ledger with excel.
“we are happy to announce we are early adopters of ai…”
Another wave of redundancies just so the CEO can keep the shareholders happy and hit their own bonuses.
I used to work for a company which was bought out by a larger company and the moment they started saying “don’t worry your job is safe” I knew shit would hit the fan sooner or later. Survived three rounds of redundancies, the last one was due to them implementing ai on a large scale. Customers are livid as they can no longer speak to a human being and if they do, it’s someone from India. Life was better before the takeover.
AI is good for replacing offshoring, you can’t trust it’s outputs blindly but that always went for going for the cheap options
AI marketing teams are snake oil salesmen.
Over promise and under deliver leaving chaos in their wake.
A director where I work had some crazy ideas about using AI but I shot them down pretty quickly by explaining the severe limitations of LLM’s and the considerable risks it posed to the business when it inevitably fucked up.
feels like if it was revealed tomorrow that wizards existed, you people would be saying that magic isn’t really special – like you can’t handle something being superior so you pretend it’s not very good
like the architecture for LLMs hasn’t had any significant breakthroughs since transformers and yet it’s created chatgpt 1 which was terrible to chatgpt3.5 was actually kinda impressive, to current day models which are smarter than 99% of people but lack a body/vision capabilities. all done with the same transformer architecture. why don’t they see that by next year with enhanced vision capabilities + agentic abilities, bots on the internet will be living full lives
Upper management get convinced that a technology is wonderful by a sales person over a boozy lunch and buy it without understanding it. The people who actually do the job hate the thing. It causes loads of problems because it’s crap and doesn’t fit well with what the company does. I’m shocked. I’ve never seen that happen before </s>
The downsides of new tech never get measured unless the failure is so massive that it can’t be ignored. It’s like our company buying SAP to do ordering. Someone got a big pat on the back for getting rid of the entry level accounting people who could process a purchase order in 10 minutes. We now have engineers on an hourly rate of five times what the accounts juniors got taking 4 times as long to do the same job but that 20x cost is never measured.
Most people don’t realise that LLM’s aren’t actually intelligent. They’re just very clever pattern matching engines that are very good at predicting what words are coming next. In our training, we learned that the hardest and longest part of setting up an LLM is curating and cleaning the training data. The internet is full of crap. If an LLM is set loose to self train online, it will interest junk and spout junk. The less care that’s taken training it, the worse its performance will be. There are some things it’s good at but many people haven’t heard of Searle’s Chinese Room Argument and don’t realise that’s what an LLM is doing
It’s like watching a really boring version of Terminator.
I honestly do not know how CEOs appear. Is it just from being the biggest ball-licking fellatio expert until a position open?
Sad CEOs making “compo face” as they contemplate good workers they replaced with incompetent/inefficent AI is like porn I don’t have to sign up to view.
Inject it into my veins while I crack one off.
Tbf, there are a ton of things AI /ML can be used on. Do you write a lengthy email? Quickly brush with ai over it to make it more appealing. Do you have too many tickets/ emails? Try filtering by using ML.
Here we also have a problem. AI should be used to prevent or lessen the workload of colleagues by cutting out steps and giving them their tasks only they can do. You don’t let the colleagues use it all the time but give the dev team the task to implement it onto certain steps.
For example: we still sometimes get faxes from doctors and older folk. We already made it so it would be shown as a pdf in a ticket. Now, we also use AI to tell us what it is without opening it, and with some combination of ocr and AI, it writes automatically a comment directly into the ticket, what it is about and the subject. Depending on what it is, we can also either ignore it or give more information. There is no need to open the pdf anymore.
Maaaaany such small things are perfect for AI and make your day 10x times more productive. Here 1 minute, there 20 seconds, etc. In a day, it can save some good 30 minutes.
Oh yeah, the AI first thing, etc. Is stupid.
We should totally save loads of money by sacking paid employees and replacing them with a digital dumbfuck, sound business sense that.
I’m sure for some stuff it’s useful.. but you could see this coming a mile away. AI customer service bots for the most part are awful..
We have tried using them for a few small things at work but you still need a human to verify and check the output which also takes time.
Yes it can learn and adapt but it’s not good enough (at least currently) to not need the human element for some tasks – and I think in terms of writing and imagery it’s still very clear when something has been written say by AI
Because it’s also learning from humans or pulling human into it can be wrong. And wrong a lot
In IT, where I used to work, they did this with ‘the cloud’. Big server room? Nah just put it all on the Cloud! Magnetic tape archive storage? Nah just put it all on the Cloud! Pretty much EVERYTHING ended up in Azure, no matter if it was last accessed 2 days ago or 2 decades ago (we used to deal with some contracts that required 25yr receipt retention).
All was at least ‘okay-ish’ till Azure started increasing prices. Suddenly all that archived data costs significantly more, but they’d got rid of all the physical back-up’s & the buildings it was stored in, forcing them to accept the price increase. Those price increases kept coming & suddenly, a company that’s existed since the 80’s & got some incredibly lucrative contracts, became insolvent, all because a higher up heard a buzzword they liked & decided ‘that’ll surely reduce costs & make us more money!’. LLM’s have their place, replacing workers certainly ain’t it tho
Interesting to see how labour things that it will get the disabled and normal unemployed into jobs that don’t exist.