NHS ‘to rely on migrants’ as Government cuts British nurse training

We don’t need to rely migrants. This government hates our country for some reason.

I remember my ex wife, sister in law and good friend all getting paid £6k a year to get nursing diplomas at 18. Then that got stopped for some reason. Seemed like a good program.

I think we need to ask why nursing needs to be a degree level job?

It’s because more and more is being asked of nurses to cover for the lack of doctors but there isn’t the equivalence of pay for the additional responsibility. For instance, take nurses prescribing drugs. If something goes wrong, they are fucked. The NHS won’t back them and they lose their PIN number. Same could be said for doctors but the pay is much higher -risk/reward.

When you force nurses into having degrees, with that comes debt. It means that often, nursing graduates come into the profession with the sole intention of getting into management as quickly as possible. We therefore end up with a situation whereby graduates don’t want to do the actual work of nursing, but want to get to the office or be a clipboard warrior and when they find that this isn’t possible, they leave the profession or we end up with the situation in the NHS we have today – too many chiefs and not enough frontline warriors. The levels of management in nursing in the UK today is incredible and hence, the layers of cost.

We need to look at the whole thing in the round and ask ourselves, what is a nurse? It takes a special kind of person to be one – it’s a vocation and shouldn’t be degree level. Additional training on the job to deal with the ever complex and changing nature of care is one thing but that should be provided by the employer.

Moreover, we rely on migrant nurses because of a crisis in recruitment and retention. Little wonder why.

After all these years the telegraph has finally agreed that freezing funding amounts to a cut.

Translation. The thing we campaigned for that everybody said would cause massive rises in non European migration has caused massive rises in non European migration. The previous government, we supported and demanded cuts in public spending from, cut public spending meaning the public institution we campaign against is short of money.

There must be a niche German word to describe what is happening because I just cannot parse this situation.

This will be another thing to push people towards Reform, but for all their bluster about immigration, I suspect they’ll do very little differently. I think the simple fact is that governments are addicted to immigration, and in many respects, it’s easy to see why. Training a nurse (or any skilled profession) in the UK is expensive, or you could let the Philippines shoulder the burden of training a nurse and recruit them from there. A Filipina nurse is less likely to demand pay rises and good working conditions for fear of rocking the boat/losing their visa.

British people want American taxes, but Scandinavian services. The two approaches aren’t really practical.

But reddit keeps telling me that mass immigration doesn’t stagnate wages or limit opportunities for native workers…

I am sure that the uk government has been systematically destroying Britain. You couldn’t do a worse job, it’s not possible.

Regardless of the Telegraphs ever more right wing stance, any freeze of funding is a cut when inflation is taken into account.

I’d rather that the government maintained or increased funding on courses related to jobs where there is a labour shortage or where we rely on migrants, while cutting funding to other subjects. I’d rather that they didn’t have to freeze or cut funding at all ultimately.